posted by perkiset on Nov 28
I’m going to be doing a couple posts along this line, because the level of holier than thouness and cavalier insensitivity to other races, religions and people of different sexual orientation has hit an incredible level. I’m not amazed that there is hate, but am amazed at how, more and more, the rightwing uses the bible to define why we must discriminate against people.
The post that really got this going was California Ruling Made Me Gay, where I sarcastically assert that because gay marriage was proven to be constitutionally allowed in California, I have been made gay (There’s another post that’s really rocking, but that will be the subject of Part 2 of this topic).
Before we look at some of the comments, it is important to note what I feel are my qualifications to speak to the topic. Unlike my sequestered and seemingly, societally homogenous right wing readers, my life as hardly been sheltered. I was involved in theater and music since I was 4, have spent the last 40 years involved in communities with a large LGBT population, have a gay brother and been involved in the travel industry for the last 17 years (where there’s a disproportionately large gay and lesbian population). When I was a younger man teaching programming to 5th and 6th graders I was shocked one day to find that my mentor had been taken away for child molestation. Last but not least I partner with a company that sells exotic underwear and apparel (I mean really exotic) and a wide range of clothing for the transvestite and transsexual community.
All my life I have been uncomfortable with “simply is” and have always tried to understand why something was. For example, after my mentor was arrested and convicted, I still visited him many times in prison and got a pretty thorough understanding of his sickness and issues. When my brother came out, my father and I spent a weekend in the Castro simply hanging out and trying to understand things thing called “gay” because we really had no clue at all. It is important to me to understand what I am talking about before I condemn or accept it.
So. The assertion by the right is that “Gay” is perverse, deviant and wrong. It’s also a choice that can be unchosen and in one particular comment, a “fad” for people that just really want to be different. I will address all of it, but first – a selection of choice quotes:
Loving another man does not make you gay.
Having oral sex with him does. So we can conclude that it is SEX that makes the sexuality!
Or do you…, and just justify because of some misplaced sense of empathy?
Jeepers, where to start? ::Sigh::
Well first off, the logic just doesn’t connect. There’s a lot of push that being gay is a choice and that it’s only about the sex – so why then is there such hard push back against marriage between two men? One comment concluded, “It’s not gay to love another man. It’s gay to stick your dick in his mouth[sic].” Well then, marriage between two men should not offend you at all – yet it does. (An interesting side note: the first person nature of the comment lead me to some interesting questions about how much self-despising there must be going on for that guy…
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Logic aside, let’s look at it this way. I am in touch with the feminine part of my personality, yet I have no desire to have a gay relationship. I’ve not been party to the gay sexual experience nor do I fantasize about it. But what if I did?
Simple answer: Who gives a damn?
More important answer: Why should YOU give a damn? Further, What gives YOU the right to assert right/wrong notions against MY sexuality?
Well, the answer is clearly here, in Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1:27…
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
See? If you’re gay then you deserve to be put to death and it’s YOUR OWN FAULT. And see how nicely those two quotes (from two completely different books) come together to damn you perverted nasty fags?
But wait… have we forgotten a little something?
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Ergo, by the book that defines your law, the perpetrator of the evil must atone in front of his/her god alone and explain their sins vir quod deus, not to you sparky. Get with the program.
Then there’s that whole bothersome Constitutional notion of separation of church and state. While this is hotly debated by contemporary evangelicals and other loons, it is a pretty established principal and essentially describes how the state can neither aid religion or how (your) religion can be used as a weapon against (me). This is actually WAY WAY more important because it describes how your chosen book of morals does not have jurisdiction upon my American civil liberties. Ergo, applying laws specifically to impose a priority for your beliefs above my liberties is un-Constitutional and inherently wrong.
Right. Now that I’ve gotten VSloathe all ramped up (our resident scholar) let’s talk ourselves down a bit.
Since there will be no convincing the un-exposed that Gay is not a choice, there’s little point in arguing it. That said, anyone with half a brain and some experience with the LGBT community knows this inherently and pretty quickly. Having been around gay and lesbian people for most my life, I can assert from personal experience that, of the gays and lesbians I know, this is not a choice – it is who they are. Are there those that are confused and want to try it on for size? Of course. Are there those that are not bound to the same notions of man/woman monogamy and heterosexuality as I am? You betcha. But again – what the hell does this do to you? I mean, who cares if YOU think it’s nasty? Don’t do it then! Just because you eat brussel sprouts doesn’t mean that I have to.
One comment was made that “two of my friends were gay and then decided to give it up and are now straight” … and interesting assertion. First off, we cannot really know the motivations and feelings of these people and second, just because some people decide that “it’s not for them” does not make everyone else the same. It’s like saying that since my car has faulty windshield wipers, all brands of wipers suck. It just doesn’t pass any sort of logical test. Similarly, it is arguable that since I have experience of people where being gay is not a choice, it doesn’t mean that all people involved in same-sex behavior are gay, and I’ll concede that. But that means you must concede that to some people, being gay is not a choice.
So now, let’s make my assertions clear, so that they can be flamed:
- Gay marriage does not affect heterosexual marriage. If it’s affecting your marriage then you’re probably not dealing with the fact that you’re gay and/or despise your spouse already.
- What two people do together in the clutch of passion does nothing to me or you. Unless you fantasize about it, in which case you’re probably bi-curious and should give it a try. You might like it. Who am I to judge you and your desires?
- Gay men cannot infect you and make you gay. Unless you really are and want to give it a whirl, but that’s your thing. Have at.
- Being gay is not a choice. Having sex with someone of the same gender may be a choice, but being gay is not. For those that don’t understand this, simply look at your own life: how strongly do you covet someone of the opposite sex? Is it possible for you to imagine that these feelings are equally strong yet simply apply to the same gender in gay and lesbian people?
I have been accused of being intolerant because I rant and rail at those who would assert that gay is anything other than what I have just posted. Well, a bit true: I am intolerant of hate, intolerant of intolerance and intolerant of people so stuck that they are in love with their ignorant biases. Perhaps over time we can talk a few of you out of the trees and back down to reality where the Monster of Gayness is not quite so large.
Alright, have at me. Let’s get this on.


























