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[vsloathe]

I am not a believer in sitemaps.

[perkiset]

... CERTAINLY not a G sitemap... I just mean that you'll need nav pages or at least links *somewhere* to push the spiders where you want them.

[vsloathe]

Yeah hehe. Talk to CDC or me about interlinking strategy right now. Either of us would probably take a swing at you...

 

[perkiset]

Well go nuts... because we havent had that discussions and I have my own proprietary methods as well... wanna swap some bits?

[vsloathe]

No no, it's day job stuff. Confidential internal SEO strategy blah blah. I'm just pretty sure that both of us would rather use other methods and be done with it

[perkiset]

Gotcha 

[dee]

Long shot... cough cough....

so what are those methods then? 

yea yea.I know. I'll get my coat.

[dee]

And you don't necessarily need a database, just a really good content generator 

Do you mind if i ask to elaborate? This is something that came up earlier in the thread.... Im trying to work out best practise before i get too far down the line.I understand the logic of having a db serve up pages from 1 script.

To my pea sized brain though, i quite like the idea of having a folder for each keyword for example and each page served up from a file. Is that the sort of thing you mean by a good content generator VS? Or do i need a bitch slap.....

[vsloathe]

Well, I'm speaking specifically of scraped/generated crap content that is for spiders only, on sites that are made to serve up ads. Generally, I choose not to use databases to store content on these sites, so that I can just upload a couple of files and the site is good to go.

My site generator structure *looks* like it's using directories for each page, or pages, or set of niche content, but in reality it's all served from my index.php, and each set of content is cached once it's scraped (the first time that particular page is hit) in something like a directory called "cache". The cache directory has permissions such that only me (via SSH or SFTP) or my scripts can read or write to it.

[perkiset]

Here's a WH bone for you Dee:

All my sites are dynamic. This allows me unparalleled capability to modify them on the fly, or create intricate interlink strategies among pages that I can be assured of, because my code is taking care of it regardless of site size or breadth.

My best WH sites will look as though they have lots of links. They do not. Any standard <a href is rel=nofollowed and other links are javascript. In hidden divs at the bottom of the page I'll put exactly 3 links every time. A link to the page itself corroborating it's story, a link to the sites primary site map and a link to the home page. Each one with very descriptive and story-corroborating link text. Is this wrong? No - all of the links are places that can be found by surfers in any case. However, I am channeling link juice around the site in a very specific way for the spiders... regardless of the friendly navigational links for the users.

In some cases, I have an "upflow target" where, in the configuration database for the site, I've claimed a page OTHER than the home page as the primary link-juice recipient. This allows me to construct intricate upflow strategies that are based on the way I want to promote pages within the site, collecting juice from 10 pages and moving it to <this> page and then that one pushes up to the home page.

In the final stage of my page constructor is where I do replacements for title, keywords, description etc etc., and adding the link structure and a cache buster is one of these steps. This would be really hard to maintain if all the pages were manual, and REALLY difficult if I wanted to spontaneously change the upflow map.

Hope that spins some gears,
/perk

[dee]

I can smell gears burning...

cheers Perkiset !

[dee]

Hey all

So..ive been off digesting what you said. I think essentally your saying that you can control the way a search engine  sees your link juice by  making the user friendly nav links no follow essentially cutting the SE of at the knees and the spinning your own links in hidden divs.Cool !

So i looked up hidden divs etc and it seems that the major search engines penalise hidden divs as they are traditionally used by black hatters/spammers for dubious reasons ( not that anyone here is interested in that of course) How do you get round that ?

the other thing which is prolly me being a muppet is:

A link to the page itself corroborating it's story,

a link to itself??

[nutballs]

i dont know that I believe it. there are way more legitimate reasons for using hidden divs, like saving space for expanding content, etc. There is only 1 bad reason for a hidden div. The argument goes round and round, but I think they dont have to care. google has good enough algos to know good text from bad, regardless of being hidden. They will ban your page, just the same, if it has hidden crap, or crap in the open. So the flipside should be true, that they will love your page, with or without hidden gems.

[dee]

mm...good point. I mean how many blogs are out there with "add comments" java divs that pop up when needed.

[nutballs]

I was specifically thinking of shopping sites where they have a brief description, and a <more> link, that just unhides the CSS for the full info.

though I cant seem to find any at the moment as an example. LOL