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« on: August 18, 2007, 04:54:32 PM »

Sending people from my doorway pages straight to signup i think is losing me conversions.

Perks talked something about LAMP box or some shit like that Cheesy
In a nutshell shared hosting that already has basic stuff installed for like Perl/Php etc.

Anyway just wondering what type of framework you perl guys use ?
i have found ones like
www.catalystframework.org
maypole.perl.org
jifty.org/view/HomePage

Going hand in hand with that i need some sort of shared hosting.
This shared hosting should have the ability to install cpan modules (i think that means it needs ssh access ?)
Main reason i plan to go shared route that way i do not have to worry about management etc
(this the whole reason i am intrested in this LAMP stuff)
also the shared hosting should allow adult oriented content.

Thanx
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2007, 05:10:28 PM »

Hey Nop -

LAMP is Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP, although some would argue PERL.

PM this guy "tastetheabalone" - he is an ISP lurking here that is ... erm... friendly and understanding of your needs Wink and he can probably hook you up with a VPS solution that will give you SSH level access to a private area - even though you're sharing processing with others, nothing else. He is also a personal friend and I can vouch for him and his company. In that space, you can install WTF you want. It will be considerably more expensive than cheap shared hosting (think in the $30-$40 US range per month I think) but it's essentially your own Linux instance on the spine.

Or PM me and I can details this more.

And with regards to the PERL frameworks, I can say this: I have no fishing idea  ROFLMAO
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2007, 08:22:08 PM »

Perl was the ORIGINAL "P" in LAMP. Cheesy

Most of the "frameworks" in Perl are for mod_perl though, and you really won't find that in a shared hosing environment.  It's just not designed for it.  I've done some work in mod_perl for a prior day job, and I can tell you it is screaming fast.

This "catalyst" framework looks like it works with FastCGI as well as mod_perl, but I don't know if many hosts offer FastCGI.  Maybe lots do, I just don't know.

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2007, 10:19:08 PM »

Wow man... hate to do this to you but:

LAMP
DEFINITION: An open source Web development platform based on Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP, a programming language for which Perl or Python is sometimes substituted.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_(software_bundle)
http://isp.webopedia.com/TERM/L/LAMP.html
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/L/LAMP.html
http://dict.die.net/lamp/
http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid39_gci779342,00.html
http://dret.net/glossary/lamp
http://en.csharp-online.net/Glossary:Definition_-_LAMP
http://www.bitpipe.com/tlist/LAMP.html
http://www.cryer.co.uk/glossary/l/lamp.htm
http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jhtml?term=LAMP

Here's a particularly good one:
http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/02/24/note-lamp-isnt-about-perl-or-python/
"I hate to be the bad guy here, but the P in the LAMP stack is about PHP.
I'm not making this up. The Wikipedia entry for the LAMP software bundle points back to the article that coined the term, and the author there clearly states that LAMP stands for Linux + Apache + MySQL + PHP.
Anyone else writing tutorial articles, please make note of this. Perl and Python understandably want to hang out with the cool kids, but those languages are LAMP afterthoughts latching onto the P in LAMP like a puppy dry-humping PHPs leg.
Im not saying that any one language is better than another, but I just cant stand reading articles that define LAMP as an acronym that includes or originally included those other P languages.

All that being said, I could care less - but I just got back from a local microbrewery (Yes DBDog Sonora) and about 2 too many Hefeweizens deep to be posting. So I had to look and see if I was really that far off base...

Cheers! and Bottoms Up!  Vomit
/p
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2007, 12:04:06 AM »

who cares what the P stands for Tongue
point is every crappy webhost offers perl.
so therefore the host requires very little config Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2007, 02:08:26 AM »

Perk you're wrong.

I don't hold the view "Wikipedia says so, so it MUST be true"

I can't prove that P != PHP but I can give you my word I was using the term LAMP prior to 1998 and the P definately stood for Perl.

P in LAMP orginally stood for Perl and was hijacked by lil kiddy copy and paster coders who liked PHP and presumed that was the right language to use.

Little did they know the true power of the practical extraction and reporting language!
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2007, 06:55:09 AM »

I don't hold the view "Wikipedia says so, so it MUST be true"
Shocked Hey now... they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true...  ROFLMAO ROFLMAO ROFLMAO

I honestly don't care either and you're probably correct... but I must bust balls, it's the law.

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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2007, 09:17:22 AM »

That's OK Ed, once Perl6.com goes finally live you'll be able to use a proper language but still code in your favuorite PHP Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2007, 09:56:15 AM »

A Proper Language?

Fuck me - has ObjectADA finally been released?
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2007, 02:51:21 PM »

Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2007, 04:10:22 PM »

who cares wtf the P stands for Tongue
what type of framework (if you use one) do u use jasond ?
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2007, 04:54:49 PM »

I dont use one.

99% of my code is command line and very little is actual web sites believe it or not Wink
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2007, 07:29:15 PM »

I also don't use a framework on the server.

I'm using Komodo for the development on my local PC. That's it.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2007, 10:36:50 AM »

Going hand in hand with that i need some sort of shared hosting.
This shared hosting should have the ability to install cpan modules (i think that means it needs ssh access ?)
Main reason i plan to go shared route that way i do not have to worry about management etc
(this the whole reason i am intrested in this LAMP stuff)
also the shared hosting should allow adult oriented content.
Nop, adult content was the stumbling block for me in finding a shared host as well.  There are some that have ssh (chroot jail), but I've not found any that have ssh which allow adult content.  You'll pretty much have to go VPS or "know a guy" (e.g. small company) if you want both.  That said, my shared host *will* install CPAN modules for you if you open a support ticket.  PM me if you want contact info.

In a VPS situations, you will be responsible for patching and upgrading your VPS's OS, afaik.

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