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[nop_90]

Problem with salesforce is that it has to cater to 2 groups of people at the same time.
1) The bone head president/ceo of a large company who thinks he is a computer expert because he can play mine sweeper. Hence the need for large annoying flash presentations which is what he will base his decision on.
2) The actual developer himself. Honestly does not matter what he thinks, since bonehead above will decide what platform to use anyway.

After cutting thru all the hype, briefly examined salesforce.
Basically it is a framework.

Advantage of this is that you do not have to worry about making your own framework.
Since it is a cloud you do not have to worry about scaling. Standard shit like reports/charts (crap which boneheads like) are all standard.

Only downside is that it uses a proprietary language called apex.
On the other side of the coin. Many times I have learned a new language just so I could use a certain feature of the language.
For a lot of things I use python/perl. Both of these languages have major warts on them. (every language sucks, some just suck in different ways )
Advantage of python/perl is vast amount of external libraries for them. For python the major plus is ease which you can interface with C.

So if you have to make some sort of management/accounting system for a buisness, I am not sure if saleforce is the answer.
But something like salesforce definetly would make ur life a lot easier.

Also from my experience boneheads like something they can see.
So even if ur program has not functionality, having stupid useless buttons for them to click makes them happy.
Judging from the flash presentations salesforce has lots of that

[isthisthingon]

nutballs nailed it

[isthisthingon]

Basically it is a framework.

   nop_90

This ain't the place to work string theory.  But for business (& bonehead) development it has its place in the clouds.  I leave reports, dashboards, and blah blah to users/boneheads and do the stuff they're unable or unwilling to do.  Cloud development is certainly exploding and it's a fun place to hang out - at least for me.

[serialnoob]

actually i think most of us here do it for both internal and external profit....

Interesting point, and clarified (isthis)

However, if I mastered say, 30% of the techniques discussed here that are, I believe "non-customer care" related, I would not bother to verticaly integrate my business to such an extend, unless I intended to become the medium size organization I was referring to.

I believe the expertise available here provides a cost effective match between a customer and a webshop because it can be replicated with ever cheaper resources. It is a technical edge, not a commercial one.
It is like an attempt to partialy control the routes that go from a family home to a shopping center. The key is the route, not the shopping center
To me this is where the added value is.
But then again it's a question of personal strategy. 

[nop_90]

However, if I mastered say, 30% of the techniques discussed here that are, I believe "non-customer care" related, I would not bother to verticaly integrate my business to such an extend, unless I intended to become the medium size organization I was referring to.

I disagree 100%
Most buisnesses fail because of improper accounting/inventory control.

In the mid 1980s before radio shack became radio shit one of the things they pioneered was proper inventory control / accounting with computers.
Using this they could track shoppers habits /  preferences etc. That was one reason for the rapid growth of radio shack in the 80s.

Inventory on the shelf costs you money.
Today because of low cost of computing every single aspect of a buisness can be tracked.

So lets say you have something like a mom and pop resturant.
Make a simple interface of some sort.
Have like 3 consoles, 1 in kitchen, 1 in waiter area, 1 in owners office.
Throw in a billing system with it also. That will save owner time.
Have it so that owner does not need to prepare order to suppliers, system does it, owner just verifies.

Every time a cook prepares a dish.
Have him using a touch screen system show how much of each ingredient he used.
Then every time waiter takes order same shit, touch screen.
You would be able to then see the trends of what items are being purchased on what days of the week, month etc.

Most restros go under because much of the food items spoil etc. (also because owners are ussually great cooks but suck at buisness).
Owner of restro could see at a glance on friday i ordered like 20kg of brocolli, but on monday I had to throw out 10kg
or maybe he could see I did not have enuff of this item so could not prepare these dishes. (lost customers)

If the owner decides to open a second restro, he can now see the sales of each restro from a centralized point.

So owner invests like $2K for puters.
He pays you like $120 a month.
Probably your system would be saving him 4x that easily in wastage etc.
Also it could be used to generate orders to suppliers etc.

As a developer, you do not need to worry about the system. Biggest headache is what platform user has.

[serialnoob]

I really meant 30% of the techniques in this forum, not in this thread.

Most buisnesses fail because of improper accounting/inventory control.

absolutely

Inventory on the shelf costs you money.

I could not agree more, and it is precisely my point: I just don't want to run a restaurant or maintain its inventory as an "internet marketer".

I can see clearly where the restaurant could interact with its suppliers and customers via a SF plateform. My point is, if I was "web-promoting" such restaurant I really cannot see how getting involved with the SF plateform myself would answer the initial question "how can i make money with this?"

The analogy is not ideal, but I am sure you get the idea when translated into a webshop which at some point has to handle physical inventory, distribution etc.

Offcourse returning customers or subscriptions are counter examples, but they are more marketing than production issues.

The core of what is discussed at the Cache relates broadly to marketing automation techniques, not clients operation, even if a good understanding of the later cannot hurt in the marketing process!





 

 

[isthisthingon]

Most buisnesses fail because of improper accounting/inventory control.

Very true.  CRM/ERP/WMS (Customer Relationship Management, Enterprise Resource Planning, Warehouse Management Systems) comprise the bulk of all business processes.

Time for some Reno 911 

[perkiset]

Most buisnesses fail because of improper accounting/inventory control.

Disagree. Most businesses fail because of improper funding and/or lack of funding through the primary business objectives.
The first 5 years are the bitch. Get past those, and your odds go up exponentially.

Unfortunately, I know this one pretty well.

[isthisthingon]

Disagree. Most businesses fail because of improper funding and/or lack of funding through the primary business objectives.

Perhaps, since I don't have the stats on exactly what "most" really is, even if personal experiences for some suggest one trend over another.  But "improper accounting" has close ties with "improper funding."  Mismanaged cash flow is a leading killer of businesses, whether it's the most common or not.  True, with a lack of funding everything else goes out the window.  But for businesses that are experiencing growth the management of the expansion is the greatest challenge they face. 

http://www.businesspundit.com/income-vs-cash-flow-why-growth-can-kill-your-business

[serialnoob]

The first 5 years are the bitch.
Unfortunately, I know this one pretty well.

I have got that t-shirt too, but I am very astonished that, in the US, which is presumably what you are referring to, it takes such a long time to establish a track record. The general believe is that things go much faster than say, Europe;

[RebounderSilent18]

Perk here: Let's watch this one and see what it does. I munged the link so we can see what it was, but doesn't go anymore. Note again, how it's made to look like the sig. Quite interesting, this one. Either this one is just not as lucky as the last guy, or using a different method, because the spam here is not nearly as "bad English" as the first one...

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