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[perkiset]

Excellent resource TD - here's is the downloadable PDF, translated from FR into ENG.

http://ktd.club.fr/programmation/fichiers/cpp-objc-en.pdf

[thedarkness]

Cool

[dee]

Anyone seen the new EuCon stuff ? Wouldnt suprise me if thats the way things start heading .Its cutting up a storm in the industry... Euphonix cant meet the demand for the new control surfaces.They are good, and they work (although no so great with pro tools ...digidesign like to stiff people)

[perkiset]

Anyone seen the new EuCon stuff ? Wouldnt suprise me if thats the way things start heading .Its cutting up a storm in the industry...

Caught me cold with that one Dee... what is this?

Euphonix cant meet the demand for the new control surfaces.They are good, and they work (although no so great with pro tools ...digidesign like to stiff people)

I'm currently a mackey guy for my control surfaces... but I have a couple DigiDesign rack units... what do you mean by that?

[dee]

As you know..not a serious boffin so youll have a much better understanding of the technology, but essentially its a control surface protocol using ethernet. The good thing is...it just works ! Install the software and plug it in and it will work with whatever you want software wise. And it works well...... so if your into logic,cubase,nuendo or whatever its plug and go.

Digidesign basically make sure their software wont work with anybody elses hardware (although prism and euphonix reverse engineered and make compatable convertors) So if your weapon of choice is protools...as most pro recording studios...your limited in your hardware choices and control surfaces. Its not like logic users who can essentially choose what ever hardware they like to go with the software.

go take a look see at their blurb: (apologise if putting this link is not ok???....its not anything im going to benifit from)

http://www.euphonix.com/pro/post/products/eucon/index.htm

[perkiset]

The link is cool, thanks for asking.

I'm not a protools user, it's all Logic Pro for me (I've been a logic user for probably 15 years) and a couple Mackey surfaces to control it.

Muse has their "UniWire" technology which is a mess, but they say it is cleaning up. This is typical of new music technologies like MIDI in about '82 - no one knew how to use it, it was more of a suggestion than a standard. I'll be interested when they really start standardizing things like what you describe, because of course, Ethernet is VASTLY superior to the current instrument connectivity mechanisms - hell, it'd beat the bejeebers out of MIDI if they ever go round to it.

The Euphonix stuff looks great BTW.

[dee]

the euphonix stuff is pretty cool.....

their convertors are great ! im lucky...i get to play with lots of nice stuff and call it work. Swapped over after comparing to digidesign standard 192's. They sound much more "analogue" for want of a better word.

Ive wondered for years why someone hasnt come up with a better alternative to midi.As you say...ethernet would blow a hole in it. Midi is notoriously lazy ! Its like a hung over 14 old at school get up time.What do you mean now?...ill do it whenever.

[perkiset]

Ive wondered for years why someone hasnt come up with a better alternative to midi. As you say...ethernet would blow a hole in it. Midi is notoriously lazy ! Its like a hung over 14 old at school get up time.What do you mean now?...ill do it whenever.

I work with a pretty damn smart guy on the web (he owns a hugely successful website) that is also a musician and was a professional engineer - great ears and knows processing up one side and down the other. But MIDI still kills him! If even he has trouble then I think it's up to Apple to come up with something that every cat would understand and be able to put to work.

And I'm RIGHT with you about timing... FFS, all the slop tightening I need to do with clocks and syncs just frustrate the hell out of me. Almost enough to make a drive a guy play the date live

[dee]

I guess midi was never designed for heavy heavy use...and its serial by nature ( 31,250 bits per second i think ??) Pretty easy for it to get bogged down and stop off halfway for a quick breather.

We need a neural network / organic thinkatronic brain interface really... can you do that in php?

Altenatively you can get wasted and play live. Its much more fun anyways.

[perkiset]

We need a neural network / organic thinkatronic brain interface really... can you do that in php?

Sorry mate, too busy with a PHP port of the Orgasmatron ATM. I'll see what I can do after that.

[dee]

mmm...orgasmaton ! Theres a niche market there !