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Title: Delphi for Php
Post by: mampy on February 06, 2009, 06:31:39 AM
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Delphi for PHP is an IDE and rapid application development framework for the PHP programming language developed by CodeGear, a division of Borland Software Corporation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_for_PHP



Title: Re: Delphi for Php
Post by: vsloathe on February 06, 2009, 07:14:09 AM
Interesting. I have the feeling that such an IDE would have limited appeal in a place like this though.  ;)


Title: Re: Delphi for Php
Post by: arms on February 06, 2009, 08:24:22 AM
Interesting. I have the feeling that such an IDE would have limited appeal in a place like this though.  ;)
au contraire kind gentleman. i am highly dependant on IDE's. i don't make any effort to remember much about built in libraries, i let my IDE do it for me. code complete ftw.

i use wingide for python and rely quite a bit on the source assistant to tell me what x library or function does, what arguments it takes - basically it reads the python docstrings for me. i'm really liking geany for everything else or even quick editing python files. can't wait till id has some python code complete.

oh wait it looks like it's for windows  :(


Title: Re: Delphi for Php
Post by: perkiset on February 06, 2009, 08:43:14 AM
Yeah the Windows bit is a deal breaker. That said, I'm still going to look at the libraries and see if there is anything there that should be ported over to the Perkiset Dev Toolbox, since I've been a fan of Borland libs since '91 and the C++ OWL libraries. They do class hierarchies right - the Delphi/Kylix class lib is still one of my all time favs.

Thanks Mamps, nice find.

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(Just watched the movies) On further review, one of the things that I've moved away from is huge, monolithic apps and into really tight little routines that do only what I need to have  done. Particularly in an AJAX paradigm, I'm thinking that moving towards a big, library based dev environment like that would be really moving backwards for me. It may well be something that allows n00bs or much less horsepowered coders get things done, but I don't know that it will work the way I want to anymore. And I'm wondering, now, if that whole notion is contrary to the underlying greatness of PHP. I mean, if you're going to go into a system like that, you might as well be C/++/#/Pascal etc etc. Dunno. Just thinking out loud.
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Title: Re: Delphi for Php
Post by: mampy on February 06, 2009, 08:53:04 AM
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The Window component can be used in conjunction with other components, to create an interface that is very similar to the Microsoft Windows interface inside a JavaScript compatible web-browser.

This is what got me thinking, ok prolly still wide open and bleeding not
leading edge.  However, the idea of the virtual platform and that Rapid Application
Development technology from Borland together makes me wank.gif
Eclipse just isn't cutting it for me yet...

 :2cents:


Title: Re: Delphi for Php
Post by: mampy on February 06, 2009, 09:04:29 AM
I just want to see the next level of programming (ive seen it before  ;) ) where there is so little in the way of what im trying to do so i spend more time testing and thinking instead of chasing apostrophes around....      I see java outliving php cause it squeezes in everywhere just about and wonder what the next generation of coders will be able to do with all their differentials and u joints delivering the horsepower straight from the IDEas to the implementation.... especially if the java platform sticks around then the code will be around long enough to get kinks worked out before another hot head rips the os out from underneath us again we will look at them and say, is your new piece of shit running java correctly and when they say yes we will give them our money....

those were the daze... im just thinking out loud too and way off on a tangent this morning....

just sayin'


Title: Re: Delphi for Php
Post by: perkiset on February 06, 2009, 10:07:19 AM
I see java outliving php cause it squeezes in everywhere just about and wonder what the next generation of coders will be able to do with all their differentials and u joints delivering the horsepower straight from the IDEas to the implementation.... especially if the java platform sticks around then the code will be around long enough to get kinks worked out before another hot head rips the os out from underneath us again we will look at them and say, is your new piece of shit running java correctly and when they say yes we will give them our money....

Hmmm... I see Java as a completely different tool with a different mission. I'd not code a local GUI app in PHP (I wouldn't in Java either, but that's another story entirely) nor would I code a massive and mission critical system like a banking app in PHP. I see PHP as an excellent middle-tier language for composing text for interpretation by a browser (OK OK, I do write shell scripts to execute other functions since I'm so fluent in PHP right now, but that's also beside the point). I use JavaScript at the client side (along with CSS) to mark up my output, and MySQL stored procedures for database manipulation. So PHP is really only a single tool in the matrix for me, whereas something like that IDE would bend me towards making it the everything tool, as we both did Delphi and Kylix. My wondering, is if a tool like that takes PHP out of it's "Best tool for the job" zone and elevates it to a place where it might be outgunned or compared to ASP or .Net or C++/# or or or ... which is inappropriate if PHP is used correctly.

That's me just sayin' as well ;)


Title: Re: Delphi for Php
Post by: vsloathe on February 06, 2009, 10:21:23 AM
Vim is all I've ever needed, though I do occasionally fire up Eclipse.


Title: Re: Delphi for Php
Post by: mampy on February 06, 2009, 10:55:14 AM
I like vim, keeping things simple, old school c code, and making my own from scratch im just tired of doing it over and over...

And I agree this would be moving backwards for you phpmyide is an example of what im talking about where i just habve to fire up my java web browser on 'x' os and im using it Wonderfully isolated from bluescreens, cryptic shell scripts and wondering if this year ill be clicking one mouse button, two or collapsing back on ssh....Well Delphi being written in Delphi and tied in with the windows gui I see the whole babel tower toppling over and avalanching around the idea of virtual platforms (java or not) ... I see this IDE morphing into the virtual platform and get to thinking about if i will still be rewriting all the same functions over and over again for another 28 years in 15 or so more languages....

I just see with java the possibility of learning a scripting language that can make me money for the next 10 years without having to stray too far from the same path and i see with it the object hierarchy for java to eventually be developed in java and the same path being taken but yeah the whole old tower is toppled fer sure and there is no going back but they had the right idea they just got trapped in dll hell ... with the jvm this will be in place for a whole lot longer and wont be tied to the souls of those old programmers like that bearded weird guy in tron that let them all out in the end...

 :roflmao:

.... Face it you have to learn a new language every four years whether you like it or not.... i think java may solve that if this virtual gui idea regenerates itself into the development platform im dreaming of and you wont write for me.   :devil:

I just want to orchestrate, i dont really want to code... i want to create... we should be done coding over and over by now and with OOP and the DOM of javascript i see this possibility as well ....  thanks for your thoughts this morning though my brain is going 88 miles per hour!



Title: Re: Delphi for Php
Post by: perkiset on February 09, 2009, 03:46:12 PM
I just received a call from one of the sales people at Borland (She said "Delphi and C++" when she called and laughed when I said "Borland's old products?" "So you remember us!" she said. :) )

We discussed Delphi for PHP for a bit and I shared much of what I've shared here about my current (and probably lasting) paradigm. I've invited her to come post and get feedback and thoughts from other developers, so when she shows up be nice. Specially you, Mampy. :beating:

:roflmao:


Title: Re: Delphi for Php
Post by: mampy on February 10, 2009, 04:45:41 AM
lol.

Ive got a few things to say if i haven't already...   :beating: