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« on: May 14, 2009, 03:28:01 PM »

 Shocked  A terribly hyped headline but the details are interesting: http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2009/050609-johnson.html?netht=rn_051409&nladname=051409dailynewspmal

Any perspectives from the Cache?  Huh?

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2009, 03:53:36 PM »

Same crap as Y2K.
Also sky is falling stories are always popular.
Even with the IP problem. I heard that story way back in 1999.
We are going to run out in like 2003 or something.
Back then you needed 1 IP per domain name on a website.
Then with servers like apache u can put as many domains as u want on 1 IP.
Even with ISP. Tons of ISP run 10K users on 1 IP using NAT etc.

Simple example.
Lets say you have a cell phone.
Cell phone still works but you know that in the future it will no longer have the features you need.
I could buy a new cell phone now, which contains the features I need.
But my present cell phone still works, and I expect it to be functional for another 2 years lets say.

It makes economical sense to abuse the hell out of my present cell phone.
In 2 years there will be better and cheaper cellphones on the market then there are now.
So I have maximized profit from present cell phone.

As the author pointed out there are tons of solutions out there.
They are just not implemented.
Better for ISP to wait till they actually need to replace the hardware, for then they have maximized profit of present hardware.

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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2009, 04:00:42 PM »

Interesting. The sky is taking longer to fall then expected though. But it is true that as everything starts to get IPs, you will start to run out. UNLESS, you start subnetting everything, then you can have more than even IP6.
imagine if every town had its own subnet. Inside the town, they have use of the entire range of IPs, but to communicate with the town next door, you need NAT. The problem there is routing tables will be freaking ginormic.

There is an actual solution, But many wont like it. Its the same solution that gave us much of the interstate highway system, and the power grid, and the current com system...

PUBLIC WORKS

perfect? hell no.
Easy to implement? Currently, yes, people are starved for work.
More routing equipment needed, more fiber, more radio towers with higher capacity, more more more. And all that needs to be manufactured, creating yet even more jobs. Subsidize the IP6 switchover.

Set it up to be a self fueling system, and bam, two birds, 1 stone.

Of course, thats in magic land where everything works right, but, hell, i think its worth a run.

OR...

you could go the route we are going, limitation, bans, caps, etc etc.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2009, 04:04:46 PM »

Thanks nop-90.  Any "falling sky" story is tremendously suspect IMO.  But being on Time Warner cable and hearing the debate over a possible switch to usage-based Internet pricing definitely grabs my attention.  I've been following this for a while now and currently my best bang-for-buck Internet is cable (Time Warner's monopoly in my area).  Since I use Skype for most calls I'm not looking forward to switching providers or having bad reception during webinars.

The IP issue is another challenge.  Thanks for the insight on that.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 04:09:41 PM »

Excellent link bait. She should have used the words "netastrophe" and "iCalamity" or something.

The way it's described, it's like bandwidth is oil and the world is running out - it's a very different thing. Freeways are not unusable because of traffic, but workings had to be put into place to balance and spread it. Similarly, things will need to be done over the next many years that make things more efficient and spread out the traffic.

Were going to see more aggregators... more websites using dynamic compression... folks like me taking my traffic out of band (I'm going to a 50M Yagi antenna and pulling off Cox) more satellites, more microwave... it's a brave new world. Unlike the oil crises, this is a problem of slow down, not scarcity. It's like my old Sun box, that is still blasting out web pages like a crazy thing, even though its 4 processors are only 333MHz. F'reals. It's that when things get thick, it simply slows down a bit, it doesn't stop. Will there be traffic jams? Of course, we see them today. But Ehrlang theory tells us that the very chaotic nature of the web that can cause spontaneous blackouts, is also our best friend in terms of traffic flow.

Lastly I think you'll see "pay for routing priority" services - Amazon will pay more to get you packets quicker. I'll pay more at my home office because I have more need than porno joe next door. Well, most likely. Even though we all want the net to be the great democratizer, I believe there will be services and structures that allow for a stratification. And in some ways, this is wholly appropriate: Hospitals, schools etc should be able to get a quicker route than my wife when she's shopping Vickies.

WHOA: Did I just say that? Cripes I hope she's not following the threads today Wink

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2009, 04:13:51 PM »

Tomorrow night with flaming bells on, yes.   Devilish
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2009, 07:16:27 PM »

Excellent link bait. She should have used the words "netastrophe" and "iCalamity" or something.

Where is Vsloathe Cheesy
make some stupid program that does fuk all kinda like ram doubler of 10+ years ago, that claimed to magically double ram in ur computer.

Then sell it to retarded users to alleviate the problem
If i was not so lazy .......
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2009, 07:20:47 PM »

lol true. I remember those progs. Its like freaking magic! Ram from nowhere!

isnt that basically what those internet accellerator thingies are?
good idea.
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2009, 07:31:30 PM »

lol true. I remember those progs. Its like freaking magic! Ram from nowhere!
isnt that basically what those internet accellerator thingies are?
good idea.
Shit i forgot about that.
I think i will make one Cheesy

I remember the ram doubler one best.
People would install it and claim it made thier computer run faster
I would argue with them
Then some guy ran tests and found out it did fuk all.
If anything it made ur puter go slower Cheesy
Fuker meanwhile had sold like 100K+ copies at $25 a bang
After the guy made the tests, people complained that he was "wrong" thier puter really did run faster.

Sigh instead of arguing with people, I should have made a ram quadroppler.
But sold mine at $100 a bang, and include fake bench marks showing it 2x as fast as ram doubler.

Stupid me D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh!
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2009, 01:34:41 AM »

Reckon you'd make more dough out of a 'cock doubler' nop. 
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2009, 03:34:25 AM »

Reckon you'd make more dough out of a 'cock doubler' nop. 
LMFAO
Yah a subliminal program that u run on ur puter.
And then it gives u subliminal messages that double your cock size Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2009, 06:25:30 AM »

...Freeways are not unusable because of traffic...

When was the last time you were in Boston?

 ROFLMAO

Nah, I kid.

We don't have any freeways.

 ROFLMAO ROFLMAO ROFLMAO
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