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« on: May 06, 2010, 01:15:51 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/06/stocks-plunge-on-greece-d_n_566468.html

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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2010, 01:29:23 PM »

Jeez.. there's a lot of heated conversations going on in Finland about lending Greece the money. Nice to see US is donating some via stock market Wink
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2010, 02:03:00 PM »

100 down in like 20 mins, back up 580 in 20 more. lol crazy stock players
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 03:04:02 PM »

apparently it may have been pebkac...

http://4sp.in/37F
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2010, 03:08:18 PM »

100 down in like 20 mins, back up 580 in 20 more. lol crazy stock players
Just a lot of uncertainty, and people are scared.

In USA and EU amount of debt the gov't have is mind boggling.
Both EU and USA have same problem, to raise more money they have 2 options.
1) Issue more bonds, but people no longer want to buy USA/EU debt since interest is too low. If they raise interest rates, then bonds will sell, but of course the stock market will suffer.
2) If unable to raise money by selling bonds, just print more money. In that case you have hyper inflation.

So basically they are fuked no matter what they do. Worse yet, china is barking at USA. Chinese finance minister (or what ever the fuk he is called) is saying US is a poor credit risk. China holds 1 trillion of US debt and probably 2-3 trillion in US stock market. All china needs to do is dump all their US treasury bills, and dump their 2-3 trillion in US stock market holdings. Since china has massive gold reserves (they have been buying up tons (literally) or gold) and gold holds its value in times of uncertainty. Once the market collapses. China then could use gold reserves to buy up US stocks for nothing literally.
Really fuking smart GWB and Obama to piss off someone who literally can destroy you economically. No wonder with idiots like GWB and Obama investors are uncertain of US economy.

These 2 graphs tell the story, 180 day chart of euro vs peso,dollar vs peso




Despite the fact that probably 1000-2000 people have been killed because of elections, investors are saying that the peso is safer then EU/USA.
Rumor has it, when the elections are over, the peso will climb 2-3 peso against the dollar. Historically this is usually true.

Worse yet for EU and USA, the chissmiss (gossip) on the street, is do not keep you savings in EU or $$$ you are safer in pesos.
In the past OFW always sent $$$ back in EU or $$$, and they would save then in EU or $$$ accounts.

An US $$$ account here pays out 3% (interest has always been high in asia), despite that according to my bank manager, OFW are selling thier dollars and buying pesos. Each of them might not have that much $$$ but when u take 10 million of them ......

If USA is not longer the global currency, and EU does not become the new global currency (just like 70+ years ago when US dollar replaced british pound). USA will become a minor financial player just like britain did 70+ years ago.

Fuking scarey.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2010, 10:14:48 PM »

What's scary is not so much the wild swings, but what reportedly caused them: a trader for Citibank accidentally entered 16 billion instead of 16 million when entering a sell order for Proctor & Gamble stock, which caused a huge drop in their shares.  The sharp, sudden drop started triggering automated sell orders (limit orders) and the resulting drops in other shares triggered more automated orders... and pretty soon, the computers were selling like crazy and the bottom was dropping out of the market.

Apparently some of the markets are going back and voiding all the transactions that happened during parts of the afternoon, since they were all resultant from the initial error.  Sounds like a huge mess and a zillion lawsuits waiting to happen.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/05/04/financial/f084015D82.DTL
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2010, 10:19:26 PM »

Dv8r - i didn't understand the PEBCAK nature of today's sell off and that is REALLY interesting,and equally frightening. Thanks for the clarification, because it both soothes and frightens me  Undecided
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2010, 10:44:25 PM »

a trader for Citibank accidentally entered 16 billion instead of 16 million when entering a sell order for Proctor & Gamble stock, which caused a huge drop in their shares.
Jeesus fucking christ... how can that kind of mistake even happen? I mean DOW dropped by 1/10 and guess how much money was lost. That kind of mistake should be even possible to happen.
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2010, 12:14:44 AM »

a trader for Citibank accidentally entered 16 billion instead of 16 million when entering a sell order for Proctor & Gamble stock, which caused a huge drop in their shares.
Jeesus fucking christ... how can that kind of mistake even happen? I mean DOW dropped by 1/10 and guess how much money was lost. That kind of mistake should be even possible to happen.
Fairly obvious how it happened Smiley
Actually what happened is i have a bad case of the shits, and when i took a shit this morning, it caused a bad stink. This caused a massive fuking panic. People seem to believe all sorts of stupid shit.

If stocks where not overpriced in the first place, this so called error would not have caused a crash.
Here is a little picture to explain things.



Robert Shiller's plot of the S&P Composite Real Price-Earnings Ratio  and Interest Rates (1871–2008), from Irrational Exuberance, 2d ed.[1]  In the preface to this edition, Shiller warns that "[t]he stock market has not come down to historical levels: the price-earnings ratio as I define it in this book is still, at this writing [2005], in the mid-20s, far higher than the historical average. ... People still place too much confidence in the markets and have too strong a belief that paying attention to the gyrations in their investments will someday make them rich, and so they do not make conservative preparations for possible bad outcomes."
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2010, 12:35:29 AM »

Jeesus fucking christ... how can that kind of mistake even happen? I mean DOW dropped by 1/10 and guess how much money was lost. That kind of mistake should be even possible to happen.
Fairly obvious how it happened Smiley
Of course it is but I'm just shocked that there isn't any triple check process in place to prevent errors like this. I mean that one guy was able to make this happen... kinda demonstrates how bad the whole stock market system really is.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2010, 06:33:53 AM »

I just thought of something. What the hell has 16 billion shares??? I'm not buying it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2010, 08:04:21 AM »

....and if EVER there was a place for just one more annoying "are you SURE" dialogs ...  ROFLMAO
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2010, 03:40:16 PM »

....and if EVER there was a place for just one more annoying "are you SURE" dialogs ...  ROFLMAO

 ROFLMAO ROFLMAO

I mean really, are you??

And talk about a panic snowball.  Imagine the trades that flow through when these financial services come back online.  It's clear we're in speculative territory and also clear that safeguards to radical and reactive market swings are basically impotent 
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2010, 04:06:05 PM »

I just thought of something. What the hell has 16 billion shares??? I'm not buying it.
And the child pointed to the emperor and said he has "no clothes".
Good one NB Smiley
http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=PG:US
Kinda hard to sell 16B of shares for P&G when there is only 2.9B of outstanding shares.
Either that or their software needs serious error checking Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2010, 04:16:37 PM »

actually thats pretty bad ass if their system allows the sale of shares that dont exist...

money machine!

hmmm, lets see.... today I want to sell the entire earth.
Sell Order: 500 quintillion shares.

muahahahaha I now own it all!!!!!!!
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