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« on: November 01, 2007, 04:06:37 PM »

K so, I have 4 exchange accounts which I currently manage with an exchange hosting service, for $132/year/user. I have been thinking for a while that Gmail and the other apps, might be a decent solution.

50 bucks a year, for 25gb, (per user) which is more than enough for us. plus some other supporting apps which might be nice. Or the free version which is 4.someincreasingvalue GB, but less features.

What are opinions about letting the new satan own all my data?

edit:to make more sense.
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2007, 04:38:50 PM »

DO NOT DO IT.

It is exactly like the way Microsoft draws you in by making life supposedly easier, but the deal is Faustian.

You may call me paranoid beyond rationality, but IME the more I let them know the worse things are for me. I use them absolutely as little as possible, I let them into my life absolutely as little as possible. This at times makes for more effort that I must exert, but it keeps me relatively free of their clutches. I do everything I can to keep my cards to my chest and a sort of cautious detente, but they're frisked pretty hard at the border.

You have already said it, "... the new satan to own all my data" Jeeperschristmas man, you wanna be like sumkinda eGhostRider? Sure, he made it out reasonably OK at the end, but he's still got the whole flaming head thing which, all-in-all is hard on the love life.

Perhaps a little tellytalk you-n-me to see what you need and if theres a less Methlike solution.

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2007, 06:18:52 PM »

Well, actually, currently it wont work as a solution anyway. I didnt realize they dont have imap for the calendar and contacts yet.

But as for having all my data, and keeping them from it. I actually am starting to think the other way. Do you know how much stupid shit I get in the mail? real mail. out of all the junk I get, maybe 1 piece every 3 months has even remote interest to me. Now, if "they" actually knew all my interests and habits, they could actually send me shit that I want. Sounds silly and simplistic, but its true. sort of.

i dunno, im not that paranoid about google knowing everything about me, same with MS, or my credit card bank, or my phone company, or, whoever else I chose to do business with on a long term.

Really me needs are an email/calendar/contact/todo service that i dont have to deal with and dont need to worry about backups and can use outlook with it. So exchange server has been my choice for a while now. I use 4smartphone, which has been great, but if I can save a few hundred a year, why wouldnt I. I just dont want to manage it, at all. Im done with that shit.
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2007, 06:50:25 PM »

Personally quite like the Zoho suite of apps, definate contenders to google apps, if not more advanced.

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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2007, 07:55:27 PM »

zoho is something i looked at as well, but the email is in private beta, as are the rest of the business solutions. The big question is storage space and capability for offline syncing, with outlook for example. any ideas on if you can sync to outlook? calendar,email,todo,contacts are all needed.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2007, 01:00:50 PM »

NB i know people doing very well from google apps - i dont share perks paranoia - id do it...

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2007, 12:34:47 PM »

My parents were both in aerospace in the 1970's and '80s, and I'm gonna go with Perk on this one (I'm kinda wired for privacy). 

Your computer and your house share an idea - what's in them is INFINITELY more valuable than the container.  Why would you entrust that to people you don't know?

Part 2 - Google, while a publicly traded company, doesn't have to tell you the truth about what they're doing with your "stuff" (selling it, perusing it, providing it to the government to have a look as wll).  In fact, were you to try and sue them and make them prove they're NOT doing that very thing, their defense would be "we're not telling them anything, Your Honor.  That's protected as trade secrets." - and you lose.

Don't do it!  All you've got that is you is your data.  Guard it as carefully as you would the contents of your home.

btw - I'm a Macnazi and everything sync's with my BlackBerry.  Not an issue.

 

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2007, 09:40:58 PM »

$fear = $Google + $personalInformation;

::shudder::

Right on JA
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2007, 03:16:19 PM »

$fear = $Google + $personalInformation;
::shudder::
Right on JA

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approx 2k+ personalities.
hard to keep track
my personalities are very intrested in viagra
$profit = $Google + $personalinfo

It depends what your buisness model is.
How long you need to stick arround etc.

If you plan to stick arround for like a year+ probably a bad idea.
If you make ur investment back in like a week ......
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2007, 07:13:35 AM »

if you think about it, google has this whole
conversation in the time capsule... one good
thing is if aliens come to our devastated planet
where cock roaches and twinkies only still live,
they could use a google backup to unravel our
demise....  (doorstops broke  D'oh! )


Have you considered openoffice? its free and works for
me on my ubuntu so does my phone and everything
else i have tried so far, except these '.exe' files
i keep downloading....

Smiley

And I agree with the black hat as far as the
new Satan is concerned, it could take the place of
Dos in the following quote from the Tao of Programming i guess:

 A master was explaining the nature of the Tao to one of his novices. ``The Tao is embodied in all software - regardless of how insignificant,'' said the master.

``Is the Tao in a hand-held calculator?'' asked the novice.

``It is,'' came the reply.

``Is the Tao in a video game?'' continued the novice.

``It is even in a video game,'' said the master.

``And is the Tao in the DOS for a personal computer?''

The master coughed and shifted his position slightly. ``The lesson is over for today,'' he said.
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 05:29:36 PM »

 ROFLMAO
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2007, 05:51:54 PM »

the main issue for us is offsite storage and backup.
its not about the client software since that I actually don't care about. I did finally change our email over though. So we are now using gmail, under google apps for domains. Works well and is IMAP capable, so outlook and iphone both play nice.
now all I need is contacts and calendar sync with iPhone for google, without some convoluted hackjob. Then I am set and don't need a desktop involved anymore.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2007, 12:16:55 PM »

You can bet that'll be early out of the gate when the API is fully in the wild...
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2007, 11:43:30 AM »

I would think you trust Apple with a lot of your stuff Perk. I'm no lover of Google but what makes Apple any better? Just guessing from your use of an iPhone and your love of all things Mac, I really have nothing to back it up. Just wondering about that dynamic, given your paranoid nature.
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2007, 12:56:01 PM »

Good question VS - there's a fundamental difference.

Google has already demonstrated a god-like desire and capability to control the destiny of the net - you and I and many of our compatriots know that only too well. Google has the capability, in many ways, to rewrite history should they desire. Consider simply the number of kids that use Google rather than an encyclopedia to gather their data... It is arguable, or course, that the victors have always rewritten history ergo, we cannot ever know what has really happened. But in a day when the collective conscience can be shifted on an hourly basis by a (relative) few then I start to get really nervous and can't be party simply on GP.

I do not subscribe to .MAC, but I do purchase from iTunes. My computers are no more "open" to the world than any of my Linux or Solaris boxes. I love the Mac because I have that level of control, yet I can empower the people I work with with more capability easily and quickly. My love of the Mac is more connected to the fact that I have a dozen printers, cameras, video devices, scanners, networks, VPNs you name it - and all of it works flawlessly. I could certainly do this with a Linux box (for the most part anyway) but never with a Windows machine (interrupt issues, you name it - I despise 'doz). But the important part is that PinkHat can not do it on a Linux box - so I get the power of *nix with the ease of a truly world class GUI - the best of both worlds.

Regarding the iPhone I am not an ostrich about the potential for abuse by interlopers, and I am no less paranoid than I am about any other tech in my life. I am flat-out delighted by the GUI and the pressure that Apple has put on other phone manufactures to create really smart little devices and I love how the underdog keeps spitting in the face of the big naysayers and so-called industry oracles. But if Apple gets closer to violating my privacy and paranoia they will find me in a hasty retreat as well.

Wrapping up: Apple craves my business. Google craves my information and control of my eLife. Two vastly different motivations, wouldn't you agree?
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