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« on: February 21, 2011, 01:49:44 PM »

About 6 Libyan ambassadors have resigned their posts around the world.  And fighter jets are bombing protestors in the streets.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/02/17/live-blog-libya
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 03:13:40 PM »

And Jordon,Behrain and every other place there.
If Saudi falls it will be a big problem.
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 07:27:45 PM »

Who is the largest electric car battery manufacturer? I think Im gonna go buy me some stock asap.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2011, 09:00:30 PM »

About 6 Libyan ambassadors have resigned their posts around the world.  And fighter jets are bombing protestors in the streets.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/02/17/live-blog-libya

Yep, we (the US) might have to go in and take care of things there.

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2011, 10:02:54 PM »

About 6 Libyan ambassadors have resigned their posts around the world.  And fighter jets are bombing protestors in the streets.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/02/17/live-blog-libya

Yep, we (the US) might have to go in and take care of things there.

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Fuking Hilary Clinton is a bone head.
With what Huh? Huh? Huh?
US has extended tour length in Iraq to 15 months.
Nato has extended tour length in Afgan to 15 months.

The US only has ~700K ground troops.
200k+ are stationed overseas at any time.

On top of it some of the tours are more then 15 months, since the military is playing games like tacking on a few weeks extra at the tail end of the tour.
It is not uncommon for some guys to have done 3-4 tours.
WTF do they bother shipping the guys back and forth, better just leave them permanently in Afgan or Iraq.
Unless they implement a draft ..... It is getting insane.

Maybe USA should send Hilary Clinton and Sarah Palin there. Threaten if you do not behave, we will stick those 2 in charge Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 10:14:07 PM »

Yemen is not getting much press coverage.
From talking to a OFW who just got back from Yemen, she almost got stranded there because the protests are so bad.
And they are blocking the route to the airport.

Protests in Algeria, Bahrain, Iran, Kuwait, Libya, Morocco, Tunisia and Yemen.
As of May 2010 94,000 U.S. troops are in Afghanistan and 92,000 in Iraq.
So assume you need ~100K troops per country.
So additional 800K troops needed.
While they are at it may as well occupy  Saudi, UAE etc Smiley
That way you can make it a nice round 1 million Wink
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 02:35:32 AM »

nop, you are making such a fuss about things.

How about one drone attack on Gaddafi's house?

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 11:58:50 AM »

Mapping Violence Against Pro-Democracy Protests in Libya

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=215454646984933465708.00049c59184ae1136341a
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 04:32:24 PM »

nop, you are making such a fuss about things.

How about one drone attack on Gaddafi's house?
Drones are not as effective as they are on TV.
Reminds me of the "precision bombing" propaganda films from 1930-1945.
Where they show a bomber dropping a bomb down a chimney.
Several times in WW2 they sent out bombers, and then 2 weeks later found out they bombed the wrong city.

Probably the drone attack will end up killing all the people in a wedding, or blowing up a school.
Which will make people like Americans even more.

The reason why nut jobs like Gaddafi and the Ayatollah got in power is indirectly US fault in the first place.
If USA was not supporting the dictator's who these guys overthrow in the first place .....

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 09:13:55 PM »

nop, you are making such a fuss about things.

How about one drone attack on Gaddafi's house?
Drones are not as effective as they are on TV.
Reminds me of the "precision bombing" propaganda films from 1930-1945.
Where they show a bomber dropping a bomb down a chimney.
Several times in WW2 they sent out bombers, and then 2 weeks later found out they bombed the wrong city.

As long as it was the right country, not a big problem.  Cheesy


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Probably the drone attack will end up killing all the people in a wedding, or blowing up a school.
Which will make people like Americans even more.

At the moment, schools are closed and anyone seen on the street is shot, no questions asked.  Which is worse?


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The reason why nut jobs like Gaddafi and the Ayatollah got in power is indirectly US fault in the first place.
If USA was not supporting the dictator's who these guys overthrow in the first place .....

Of course. 

The USA is blamed when they intervene and blamed when they don't.

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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 09:42:26 PM »

The USA is blamed when they intervene and blamed when they don't.
Because they went and gave themselves the title "World's Policeman".
China meanwhile is giving all the countries in South America,Africa and Former oil producing soviet republics tons of foreign aide.

China's Foreign Aid Activities in Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia
http://opencrs.com/document/R40361/
According to USA's own documents, they are losing influence in all of those countries.
From other sources it is estimated that China's foreign loans to developing countries is 2x the amount as USA.
Unlike USA's projects, these ones actually do things like create jobs, and make people's lives better.

Attitude wise, USA is like the British Empire cira 1930. Arrogant but financially bankrupt, but meanwhile having the attitude the world needs them.
China ironically is like USA cira 1930, the one actually financing and making projects go.

China to Fund Trans-Continental Railway That Will Rival Panama Canal
http://inhabitat.com/china-to-fund-trans-continental-railway-that-will-rival-panama-canal/
100 years ago USA built the Panama Canal. Today it is too small for most modern container ships.

And if USA does not smarten up, they will find out the China owns them, just like USA ended up owning Britain.
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2011, 12:59:38 AM »

China ironically is like USA cira 1930, the one actually financing and making projects go.

China to Fund Trans-Continental Railway That Will Rival Panama Canal
http://inhabitat.com/china-to-fund-trans-continental-railway-that-will-rival-panama-canal/
100 years ago USA built the Panama Canal. Today it is too small for most modern container ships.

And if USA does not smarten up, they will find out the China owns them, just like USA ended up owning Britain.

That is my point. When China cheats the world monetary system then
puts that money into a railroad project AND a whole complete new city
just for their own self-interests, you applaud them.

"The Chinese investment plan would also see the construction of a new city
south of Cartagena, designed to assemble Chinese exports."

If the USA did that you would say they only care about money, not people.

China is censoring information about all the recent civil unrest for fear their own
people might topple their Imperial Holy Emperor and you hold them up as
a model nation. LOL.

China does NOT care how many people Gaddafi murders, (unless there
is money to be made there).

The USA is the world's policeman because... who else cares?

You are definitely my favorite "twisted" friend.  Wink

See you are Starbucks?

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2011, 02:09:35 AM »

That is my point. When China cheats the world monetary system then
puts that money into a railroad project AND a whole complete new city
just for their own self-interests, you applaud them.
USA was the one that cheated the world monetary system in 1971 when Nixon pulled the dollar off the gold standard.
Prior to that, all currencies where pegged to the US dollar. And the US dollar was convertable to gold at the rate of $35 per ounce.
The problem was USA had more dollars printed then there was gold. So when other countries started to demand their US dollars in gold .....

Because USA is the world reserve currency, they are cheating the entire system.
The 13+ trillion debt they owe or which china carries 1 trillion, they are just printing more money to carry that debt.
Since they are the reserve currency they can do that.
That is the biggest problem, and it affects the entire world.
Because USA runs the IMF they are screwing the entire world. That is why China is starting to dump US debt, because they are scared they will not get paid.
One reason why the price of gold is sky rocketing is because China is buying it all up.
This is a serious problem for everyone.

Super powers censoring news ....... Tell me one super power who was not doing that.
Tons of historical examples of that, German WW2 concentration camps where based on British concentration camps from the Boer War.
USA when they liberated occupied the Philippines in the 15 year war that came afterwards, killed at least 2 million filipinos in concentration camps, forcible relocations, burn of villages etc.
China and Russia lots of examples for them. Of course like USA they do not tell their own people how many people they killed Smiley
So really it is a none issue. Except you can argue who killed fewer people Smiley

See you are Starbucks?
I have not been to manila for ages. You come up here lol Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2011, 10:20:29 AM »

Because they went and gave themselves the title "World's Policeman".
The rest of the world is at least 50% of the problem Nop. We intervene, we're assholes. Problems in another country, they come screaming for us to give them aid, money and support the people's cause. We're screwed no matter what we do. People tend to focus on where we've been assholes and not where we've solved a whole lot of the rest of the worlds problems. And that means on my tax dollars.

China meanwhile is giving all the countries in South America,Africa and Former oil producing soviet republics tons of foreign aide.
You can't POSSIBLY think that is altruistic. China is giving aid in the same way the US has many times ... to work it's own angles and future investment strategy.


Attitude wise, USA is like the British Empire cira 1930. Arrogant but financially bankrupt, but meanwhile having the attitude the world needs them.
China ironically is like USA cira 1930, the one actually financing and making projects go.
Laughably one sided.


And if USA does not smarten up, they will find out the China owns them, just like USA ended up owning Britain.
100% true. If not true already.
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2011, 03:53:47 PM »

Because they went and gave themselves the title "World's Policeman".
The rest of the world is at least 50% of the problem Nop. We intervene, we're assholes. Problems in another country, they come screaming for us to give them aid, money and support the people's cause. We're screwed no matter what we do. People tend to focus on where we've been assholes and not where we've solved a whole lot of the rest of the worlds problems. And that means on my tax dollars.

China meanwhile is giving all the countries in South America,Africa and Former oil producing soviet republics tons of foreign aide.
You can't POSSIBLY think that is altruistic. China is giving aid in the same way the US has many times ... to work it's own angles and future investment strategy.
Much of American "foriegn aide" is going to support dictators like Mubarak for the tune of 3.5 billion a year.
Percentage of GDP the US government gives the least approx 0.35% compared to other countries at 2%+.
But on the other hand, Americans privately give far more to charities. So even if US gov't is an asshole, American's themselves are not Smiley

Asking do I think China is being altruistic is comical. Of course not, what I am saying is Chinese foreign aide is being used more effectively and indirectly helping more people out.

The Panama Canal is a prime example. Unlike the Suez Canal, which is all at sea level, it goes through a series of locks to a maximum elevation of 26m. And then back down again. At the time of it's construction it was an engineering marvel of the world.
Did the US construct the Panama Canal to be altruistic ? No, one of the main reasons for construction of the canal was because USA had acquired pacific colonies like the Philippines etc. They needed a quicker way to move their ships from the eastern seaboard to the western. Has the Panama Canal benefited the entire world ? Yes. Costs of shipping for Asia to Europe and Eastern USA dropped drastically. This means cheaper good for people etc. Before the Canal, Panama did not even exist as a country. The Canal itself employs countless people etc. So it is a win-win for everyone.

Biggest problem with making the canal larger, is that the locks which lift the ships up and down are filled by diverting rivers. Rivers only produce so much water, so that is the constraining factor. Also shipping has changed. 100 years ago container ships did not exist. The Chinese plan is to construct 2 massive container ports on each side of Panama. With a modern container facility, a container can be unloaded, and loaded onto a rail car in as little as 30 seconds. Then move the containers to the other side and load them onto another ship. Time will be lost due to the unloading and loading process, but rail cars will be able to travel faster then a ship in the canal. So probably the time will be approx the same. Also less energy will be used, since the cargo is only being moved, and not the ship itself.
If china succeeds with it's plan. Cost of goods will be cheaper for everyone.

On a smaller scale China is building infrastructure around the world. This is far more effective for maintaining world peace, as opposed to pissing away your money supporting a dictator Smiley.

The problem is that people do not understand Adam Smith's "invisible hand". In his book he gives the example of a "market". And why it works. He states that gov't should not control prices. Notice Adam Smith did not say the gov't should not make "laws". Also for the "market" itself. Who constructed that "market", most likely it was the king Smiley. (during Adam Smith's day the king ran shit Smiley I am not advocating king's are effective gov't Smiley ) Who constructed the roads going to the market ? The king. Major infrastructure often has to be constructed by a gov't.

Love them or hate them. M$, Google and Apple have probably done more to make life better for the average person, then all the gov't programs put together. Because of the 2 companies, the price of a PC has been lowered so almost anyone in the world can afford to buy one. And Apple is now doing the same thing with mobile devices. Along the way many shareholders have become rich, that is good, it is capitalism at work. Foxconn employs how many workers in China ?
Capitalism works because it is "greedy" which is human nature. But capitalism does not mean no laws, that is called anarchy Smiley
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