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« on: April 26, 2009, 02:18:34 PM »

I was just watching some stupid sci fi movie with a black hole.

I just thought of something.

So if you are light years away from a black hole, and analyze it, time appears to be standing still at the black hole, correct? (in theory, because technically you couldnt analyze past the even horizon.)

So.... if time from out POV is standing still at the BH, then...
When the hell does a black hole come into existence in our time frame?Huh??

i need beer.

or... is that why we cannot see the actual black hole maybe? because it actually doesnt yet exist in our time view, so it literally is a "black hole" in space. Between the moment of an imploded star and whatever a blackhole would become eventually if you were standing inside the horizon.
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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2009, 04:23:57 AM »

interesting thoughts.

How does the black hole see us, does it see us in all the places we have ever been in but all at once, so it sees us as a baby, child, teen, adult, old man, corpse, nitrogen, dust, nuclear bomb explosion victim, asteroid passenger, sea monkey, new world....


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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2009, 04:32:21 AM »

Maybe the black hole gets a 4d view out of 3d
the way this guy gets 3d out of 2d
on a sidewalk with just chalk.  He paints open manholes
on the ground that people walk around and stairs
they try to go down into... amazing:

http://www.impactlab.com/2006/03/09/amazing-3d-sidewalk-art-photos/



But in a 2d representation of a strumpet would have every weiner in
her that had ever been there and in the view of the black hole, all those
weiners are in the same place at [all time]...  at infinity o'clock your
dingie is touching another dudes and that makes everyone half gay.

 ROFLMAO ROFLMAO ROFLMAO
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2009, 09:26:47 AM »

Ive actually thought about this since i was 12 years old...
a jewish friend of mine offers that the reason why in exodus
when moses asked god what his/her/he/she/it/we/you/they
name was he replied 'i am that i am' or 'i shall be that i shall be'
implying eternal timeless existence, was his point i suppose.
this is translated from the greek and the basis of the tetragramatron
yahweh, jehovah, etc.... i dunno what to think not much of a theologian or
religious guy but this certainly has my
brain going here...  im gonna go dig up some hypercube ... the closest
i can think of to come to a 2d representation of a 4d event is the hypercube
animations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXYXuHVTS_k

I still dont get it though.

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 07:23:28 AM »

Really? That blows your mind?

So an equation whose solution approaches infinity, graphed with a vertical asymptote must positively fry your brain.

Wait until you delve into acausal states in quantum particle theory.
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 08:39:01 AM »

I just heard a high pitched static noise.

calculus made me leave purdue (among other things).
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 10:10:52 AM »

I failed Calc I the first time.

I found Calc IV (Differential Equations) to be much easier, TBH. Then again, I had no problem at all with Discrete Math since it was the way I thought and I just assumed that everyone thought this way; But to math majors, Discrete is hell on earth.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 11:37:05 AM »

its funny, my experience at purdue was this:
Philosophy class: I ended up being referred to the school counselor. but an A anyway
Psych class: I got referred to the deans office, who then referred me to the counselor again. and again an A
Calc class: 1 in a sea of 3000 calc students. Cheated... D
Programming Class: "Why cant I use + - * / on this project?" = C
Creative Writing: Counselor. But an A anyway
French Class: I already knew french. But apparently not the same french this bitch was teaching. D
EE: I cheated and used gopher/archie/veronica to find the solutions. A
Physics: Cheated. I could fit an amazing amount of equations on a brand new pink eraser. B
Nervous breakdown over spring break on the way back from my roomate's house. Referred to counselor, referred to psych for eval, referred to learning disability specialist, "hey guess what? Your dyslexic and ADD". That explains math class and physics and french... quit purdue, traveled europe, learned much in the real world, graduated from ASU many years later with a 3.9+. LOL

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2009, 12:07:51 PM »

Yeah my grades have never been what you'd consider..."superb".

There is intelligence, and then there is the ability to rotely memorize trivia. The latter will get you good grades. I am incapable of excelling in a subject without understanding all of the underpinnings, and school does not teach you about the underpinnings. Well, mine tended not to anyway.

Also, Ritalin and Adderall never did a thing for me. Seriously, I'm just immune. If anything, they make me jittery.

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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2009, 12:48:27 PM »

I think simply showing up for class twice in a row would have my professors considering my performance "superb."
Not a great student, the perk.

Better after I left, though, worked and owned my own biz for a few years then went back to study something I had no interest in as a career but loved (marine bio).
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2009, 12:52:14 PM »

Nice Perks.

I am planning to pursue a similar path, but my interest is philosophy.

I don't want to make a career of it, but I will be publishing a book or two.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2009, 01:19:15 PM »

thats pretty much what happened with me.
failed out, freelanced for about 5 years, went back for technology management.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2009, 02:58:33 PM »

Nice Perks.

I am planning to pursue a similar path, but my interest is philosophy.

I don't want to make a career of it, but I will be publishing a book or two.

Well, your chosen discipline will certainly be worth more than mine, although I adore the ocean and diving so my studying definitely had a purpose. You can whup me all day long on the esoterica of ancient religion, but I could bore you to tears with my fascination of the killy fish and its capability to extract oxygen sufficiently from both salt and fresh water. Bloody miracle, that little thing. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2009, 03:23:53 PM »

In college i used to dump bottles of 151 into big slam dr pepper bottles and just cheat my ass off it didnt matter and on the essay questions i just blathered on about nature vs nurture and i got c's.... its never actually mattered in my life that i went to high school or college.

Never once been asked for a diploma....
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2009, 06:01:11 PM »

No we covered this on another thread on Syndk8 Perk. You wouldn't be able to bore me, I'm sure I'd find it fascinating! I think he's truly a poor man who can't find interest in things about which he knows little to nothing. In some of the most esoteric or complicated of subjects have I found the best analogies for life and the deepest meaning.
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