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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2008, 12:51:25 PM »

I dont know how i feel about the choking, i just always tried to win the dogs respect.  I have trained two rotties and one german shephard and i dont really know if im all that good but I know that all three dogs wouldnt let ME HIDE FROM THEM.  Never had a problem finding them, or with them ever wanting to run away, cause they wanted to stay right by my side.  Sometimes I try to slip away from sassy bear and hide and she tracks me down like a bloodhound.

A really fun thing to do was to pretend to leave the house with skype video call already connected to laptop and watching sassybear from the van and telling her 'ah ah ah ah ah ' (my version of NO!) whenever she would
go towards the trash can in the kitchen LOL..

And as much as i have ever done to keep her from eating chicken bones, she finds them EVERYWHERE and swallows them practically whole and hasnt had a problem yet... and until skype therapy, she ate them out of the trash can.  (granted the trash can stays on top of the fridge now..LOL)

In spite of treehuggers warnings, she hasnt had a perforated intestine, nor have i had to 'dig one out'.

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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2008, 01:08:16 PM »

I have a soft plastic toothed collar that I use for training. It takes a very small amount of pressure for the natural, instinctive feeling of "mom's teeth" on the neck for them to get that this is bad. I don't even need to really pull. A quick tug combined with NO is really effective and does no damage, cause pain or anything.
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2008, 03:49:12 PM »

For the dog "hiding" i should have probably elaborated a little more.
I am not saying I am an expert, just the observations I have made from observing dogs.

When training a dog there are basically 2 problems.
1) The dog does not know what he is supposed to do.
2) The dog knows what he is supposed to do, but he does a mental accounting. I am not supposed to eat the garbage, but if i grab the garbage, then run really fast, hide under the house maybe i can get away with it. If this situtation is not corrected, then the animal will thing every time i do something bad i can go hide under the house. (With some dogs

This was situation number 2.
Dogs and people are very similar when it comes to social behaviour. Both are pack animals, both attempt to conform to the leader. And i find studying both human's and dog behaviour very intresting. Basically it is simple pavlov, and it works just as well for humans as it does for dogs. (Stalin was a very big fan of pavlov). And there are 2 types of stimuli, postive reinforcement and negative reinforcement. Most of the time it is best to use postitive reinforcement. In extreme cases you have to use negative reinforcement. As i said, with choking (i will not argue the humane issues here etc) i have never had to do it more the 5 times in most dogs lifespan. It is only reserved for when the dog knows he is not supposed to do a certain activity.

Winning the dogs respect. Or what ever u want to call it (it all really ammounts to the same thing). Like humans dogs are pack animals. In a pack there is 1 leader. Basically you have become the pack leader.

What happens if you are not pack leader. Well u get my brother in law situation, where the dog pisses on all his belongings. It is no accident that the dog pisses on his bed, pisses on his big screen TV and all his other prized possesion. Basically the dog is saying i own all these things. And indirectly the dog is saying i own a really nice human.

Depending on how sensitive the dog is. Sometimes you do not have to say a word to the dog, just give it a bad look it will then sulk and cry in the corner. After a few minutes of that, you tell the dog its ok and she will be happy again. This is because dogs naturally wish to please the pack leader.

You can have lots of fun with dogs. Most of the time dog can not understand what u are saying. It is like Blah Blah Blah "sit" Blah Blah Blah. He just goes by tone of voice.
So u can say stuff to the dog. You stupid dog, You better listen to me, Of i will cut you head off and give you to the locals to make into tastey treats. I am going to kill u. Providing you are patting the dog etc, saying it in a kind soft voice, the dog will be happy.
On the other hand u can yell at the dog in a mean voice "I love you" and have the dog scared.

Plastic tooth collar thingie, i have no idea Smiley I am old skool Cheesy

Again it depends on the situation and where u live. If i was in america where there is liability stupid law suits and crap like that i probably would not own a dog. Under PH law anything that happens in ur property is self defense. I keep my dogs for protection. It would be quite simple to train them not to kill things that enter the yard, and if i was in america i would do it (i would be irresponsible not to). Again situation differs where i am located, less then 15km away in the mountains is an insurgent strong hold. The gov't is able to control areas close to highways etc where the military can move. Approx 2 weeks ago the insurgents blew up 6 cell phone towers (cell phone company was not paying revolutionary tax). Again these insurgents officially do not exist. Could a determined squad of insurgents wipe me out, yes easily. But they are not stupid the hassle of the dogs means they risk too much for too little gain. Unless i cause an incident where they are forced to act they will leave me alone.




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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2008, 04:06:40 PM »

Plastic tooth collar thingie, i have no idea Smiley I am old skool Cheesy

http://www.thepetstoreonline.com/godogcola.html

It's actually called a prong collar - it does an excellent job of reinforcing whenever you need NO. It is gentle, but gets right to a dogs instinctive responses. Also reinforces that you are the pack leader, since it feels like teeth on the neck. I agree with you about being the leader of the pack and that a dog must respect you... I just find that there are many that would use intimidation and beatings rather than more natural training methods to achieve the same thing (not saying you do this). I disagree with "choking" - but the essence of the choke is the same as what that collar does for me. This collar is so gentle that I can use it any time.
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2008, 06:03:57 PM »

It's actually called a prong collar - it does an excellent job of reinforcing whenever you need .......This collar is so gentle that I can use it any time.

Is there an option to buy this in a set?  Like, with pink ermine restraints and a tiny whiplet.
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2008, 06:05:14 PM »

Yup. Even available at 3am my friend. Just let me know, I can hook you right up Wink
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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2008, 06:21:01 PM »

Coolio.  I knew I could count on you.   ROFLMAO
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