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« on: July 08, 2009, 10:04:58 AM » |
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2009, 10:09:40 AM » |
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So exactly how many times did G swear it was not developing an OS? I lost track.
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2009, 10:18:39 AM » |
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About as many times as Bush said WMD and Terrorists.
If I was in charge of Windows mobile or their netbook efforts, I'd be taking a lot of Tums ATM.
I am really going to be curious about the TOS and EULA for that one... what, exactly, does Google get to know of the user? That part rather creeps the shit out of me.
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It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2009, 10:59:24 AM » |
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what, exactly, does Google get to know of the user? That part rather creeps the shit out of me. I've had these fears with various services such as gmail but have noticed an interesting incongruity. Google explains the potential use of information gathered by you agreeing to their eula and using their "free" services. Yet I've experienced zilch on the information abuse front from Google (so far as I realize) and tons of it from the myriad companies who swear they won't do such awful things (fact). In any case, a lean Chrome OS sounds like a dream for cloud computing. I'm also on the beta list for Google Wave, which promises to nail the coffin shut on SharePoint. Also an intriguing possibility. A good browser and some bandwidth is about all I ever need anyway. |
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I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2009, 11:09:47 AM » |
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Will be open source, so you'll know what data they're collecting. Unlike if you're running a closed source OS...  |
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2009, 11:11:43 AM » |
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>zilch Currently, I tend to agree. But G isn't currently pressed for revenues to meet a payroll. Hard times, or some other as-yet-unforeseen tectonic shift in the market or G's leadership puts my privacy paranoia on edge. "Lest we forget Google is in the behavioral targeting business. Why would anyone ever use an OS developed by a company whose business is based on meticulously recording and analyzing their online behavior? Because they enjoy using its other services, I suppose. But there is a privacy-for-ease-of-use trade-off here. And with Chrome OS it is unprecedented. And while Google might tout its 'Don’t be evil' motto as reason enough to trust it with our data, there are other entities that don’t always share those intentions. Remember, it wasn’t so long ago that the federal government tried to force the company to turn over user search data to the Justice Department…" http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20090708/google-chrome-os/ |
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2009, 11:14:24 AM » |
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Unlike if you're running a closed source OS...  Perseverate: [per-sev-uh-reyt] See "VSloathe" |
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2009, 11:16:01 AM » |
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"Lest we forget Google is in the behavioral targeting business. Why would anyone ever use an OS developed by a company whose business is based on meticulously recording and analyzing their online behavior?
Spot on ... I don't find the lack of spam in my inbox ANY kind of comfort at all. In fact, that's almost scarier. |
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It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 11:31:47 AM » |
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Perseverate: - 1. Psychology - Uncontrollable repetition of a particular response, such as a word, phrase, or gesture, despite the absence or cessation of a stimulus, usually caused by brain injury or other organic disorder.
- 2. Psychology - The tendency to continue or repeat an act or activity after the cessation of the original stimulus.
Projecting: - 7. Psychology - To externalize and attribute (an emotion or motive, for example) unconsciously to someone or something else in order to avoid anxiety.
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I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2009, 11:58:19 AM » |
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Currently, I tend to agree. But G isn't currently pressed for revenues to meet a payroll. Hard times, or some other as-yet-unforeseen tectonic shift in the market or G's leadership puts my privacy paranoia on edge. Very true. I guess I worry more about being the target of relentless marketing campaigns than the victim of identity theft or an IRS investigation (for personal reasons). In a sense, when the spam starts flowing in I'll have more filtering work to do. On the other hand, if an OS gets in between me and my 128bit encryption to a client that's another story - a story which hopefully would end in a massive lawsuit against Google. I just don't think that's the kind of profiling and data collection we're dealing with and since I'm not BH SEO or anything like that I'm not too concerned  |
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I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2009, 12:15:02 PM » |
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Big companies and private data (in bulk quantities). What could possibly go wrong? "More than a quarter million people are wondering what will happen to their fingerprints, Social Security numbers, home addresses and other personal information now that a company that sped them through airport security is out of business. Government officials are wondering too." http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iBSRGlDG0Xk3VNSrPzmwac6YLwuAD992JONO0 |
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2009, 12:18:49 PM » |
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My extreme paranoia is the reason I never actually host any of my websites. They all just stay on my local machine with no ports open, not connected at all to the outside world.
Very secure, but it doesn't make me a lot of money.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2009, 01:54:10 PM » |
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Big companies and private data (in bulk quantities). What could possibly go wrong? Everything under the sun, regardless of their stated intentions - as that article clearly illustrates. In fact, you were forced to submit your information (if you intended to fly) to a company that now hangs in limbo along with some seriously sensitive data (fingerprints, SS#s, etc.) It's not that I don't worry about these things. However, to offer a trite and overused counter argument, I'm a realist. Perhaps a pricing structure that accounted for this would be preferred: - Free: open source, and we use your data for "business purposes"
- Cheap: open source, and we "will not" use your data for "business purposes"
- Expensive: the source is closed and we're gonna market the hell out of you with the data we collect from you anyway
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2009, 02:50:06 PM » |
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Will be open source, so you'll know what data they're collecting. Unlike if you're running a closed source OS... They said they are open sourcing it next year (or when ever). Why not open source it right away  ? Anyway for the super-paranoid open source by google does not really mean too much. How many people are going to compile their own OS. So they would just DL the binaries supplied by google which could be full of all G's nice things . |
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2009, 03:30:03 PM » |
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>I'm a realist
As am I, and the reality is that no one will give a damn until it is too late. Then again, at the rate people are currently posting all of their personal info in social sites in five years there will be no such thing as private data ...except for a few of us paranoids.
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