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« Reply #45 on: March 22, 2010, 04:13:46 PM »

i yield. you guys are retarded.
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« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2010, 05:51:31 PM »

All this yield talk is perplexing.  Ultimately there's important beliefs and core values on the table, otherwise why bother.  Some of these perspectives are more open source than others, yielding greater transparency in their arguments.  But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that some very important values are being debated here. 

Nop's dog massacre story was sad to me.  It's sad for the dog (imo) and sad for those who wouldn't look truth in the face even if baby white seals were being slaughtered in front of them, along with their whole family.  Yet just try and threaten their established beliefs about fair commerce (which just happens to tie into their fancied visions of personal, possible, wealth amassing futures), and they snap quickly about how their children deserved their fates.

This is bigger than you can possibly imagine.  It's the hardly understood and invisible battle between one's chronically entrenched assertions and truth.  Like water carving out the Grand Canyon, truth will always eventually prevail. But in the meantime, I just happen to care too much to let those who I care about delude themselves into supporting that which causes great suffering.  Rotting in prison is no retarded laughing matter, especially for the incarcerated.

But politically speaking I'm quite different from nop.  I actually used to be much more aligned with the concept of as little government intervention as possible.  The problem isn't government or corporations.  It's where the bulk of the corruption lies at any point in time and the structure erected that may persist indefinitely, causing generations of great harm.  In America, government is almost a damn hero compared to Wall Street.  Yet in Argentina, not so much.  I don't know about PH but it sounds like there's more acknowledgment of what I call "natural law" than we have here in the states.  Apparently the police force doesn't pretend to live the law while pocketing bribes.  They just do it.



Yet in America we squawk endlessly about morality and offer this gift to those who pretend to honor it, or actually have some somewhere:



Here's to them, and here's to Spuds Mackenzie!



Wait, sorry that was a pirate thief sinner bad person.  Here's the DRM approved version!!  Yes it's silly, but be honest, doesn't that look like at least a good party?
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« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2010, 08:25:51 PM »

But politically speaking I'm quite different from nop.  I actually used to be much more aligned with the concept of as little government intervention as possible.  The problem isn't government or corporations.  It's where the bulk of the corruption lies at any point in time and the structure erected that may persist indefinitely, causing generations of great harm.  In America, government is almost a damn hero compared to Wall Street.  Yet in Argentina, not so much.  I don't know about PH but it sounds like there's more acknowledgment of what I call "natural law" than we have here in the states.  Apparently the police force doesn't pretend to live the law while pocketing bribes.  They just do it.

I used to be a socialist. I think to some degree I still am.
But the big problem is what u call the "natural law". Pretending it does not exist does not solve the problem Smiley.
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