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« on: January 09, 2010, 10:03:19 PM » |
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So, i am doing research into Enterprise level Virtualization solutions.
the two choices are Xen and VMware
I looking at the pricing, I have come to the conclusion that they are both insane and absurd. The claim of Virtualization in general is cost savings... Um, How???
Xen charges per host machine (up to 2 procs)
VMware charges per host processor (up to 6 cores).
Both charge about $2500-$5000 PER license per year.
WTF? How does that save me money?
I might as well buy a brand new server each year at that cost...
I dont get it at all. Unless they have incremental pricing after the first N units or something. But how the hell would this be justifiable in a large DC?
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2010, 10:50:26 PM » |
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Sun VirtualBox has good reviews but I haven't tried it personally: http://www.sun.com/software/products/virtualbox/. >WTF? How does that save me money? Totally - what's the point if you pay virtually the same amount as if you had multiple boxes  |
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2010, 12:03:37 AM » |
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Oooh. Don't like the sound of that...
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2010, 07:52:14 AM » |
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Yea. Tell me about it. I am going to chat with both of them to see what the deal is at dozens of machines.
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2010, 12:06:21 PM » |
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Virtualbox looks interesting... will it do what VMSphere will do? That seems to be the gold standard ...
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It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2010, 10:15:09 AM » |
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Question: Does any virtualization software nowadays allow you to do just one program or do you still have to use the whole operating system?
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2010, 10:22:28 AM » |
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both citrix and vmware have solutions to share out 1 app.
XenApp and VMapp.
But I am not sure how they need to be installed. They might actually need to be inside a VM container. I dont think so, but they might.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2010, 10:23:58 AM » |
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both citrix and vmware have solutions to share out 1 app.
XenApp and VMapp.
But I am not sure how they need to be installed. They might actually need to be inside a VM container. I dont think so, but they might.
That's awesome. Thanks man, gotta read more about those  |
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2010, 10:26:42 AM » |
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We're building out a 3-box Xenapp solution this week. Servers o'Death arrive Wednesday. Details as they come about.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2010, 10:36:17 AM » |
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We're building out a 3-box Xenapp solution this week. Servers o'Death arrive Wednesday. Details as they come about.
Will you be testing the browser implementation at all? It says on Citrix's webpage that XenApp also supports streaming straight to browser with all Windows apps. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2010, 12:29:08 PM » |
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Just browser instantiation of apps. Full virtualization is yet to come, but it's in the sights.
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2010, 02:49:00 PM » |
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I could be wrong. But a server unless it is doing something like graphics processing, heavy DB manipulation etc. Uses very little processing power. The most important thing is a good network card, fast memory and a fast HD.
So back in the day when i was doing social networks. I had 2 shitty vps. I was pushing through each one 6-8G of BW in a 24 hour period. And this was compress traffic, so real traffic was probably 2x that. (I would use gzip compression).
If i remember correctly the guaranteed no more then 10 vps per server.
With VPS you allow load balancing. So u have 10 vps. Not all vps at any given time will use all load at once. Same principle with a cloud. So better use of resources.
Savings in electricity. Instead of having 10 servers you only need 1.
I think the biggest one is security/admin. You allow each user to have "root access", so he can configure how he wants. But he is secure in his own little virtual machine. If he breaks the virtual machine, he just clicks a button and 30 seconds later he has a new image. Also really simple to do backup, just save the virtual image. Theoretically you could then move this image to any other machine.
Kind of off topic. But for system support as in an office. The help desk recomended all users have VMWare installed on thier system. As in user would just run off virtual image. Biggest pain in the ass is when user upgrades his puter. It will take a techie like 2 hours to all day just to move all the crap over to another machine. With virtualization. Just drop off a machine. Install VMware. Copy virtual image over to machine and away you go. No need to worry about finding obscure drivers etc etc.
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