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[kurdt]

Zactly.
The best day ever, will be the day when an SEO cannot affect the search results.
Never will happen, but that would be a great day. I would happily lose out on those SEO opportunities to get a better search experience.

Hehe.. trust me, it's coming sooner than you think

[perkiset]

Never happen. New algo, new spammers SEOs.
So long as there are yellow pages, there'll be people like me that purchase corporations named "AAAAAAA Travel" to get to the top of the list.

That said, I agree that they may GO the way of yellow pages because times change. I think the largest single challenge to Google is an attack from the human side of things: facebook, aardvark and the like. A recommendation from your friends will always trump an encyclopedia. The encyclopedia will always be needed, but whether it's the dominant force in decision making will be anyone's guess ... and probably sooner than later.

[isthisthingon]

 

Nice one kurdt!  Still laughing 

The best day ever, will be the day when an SEO cannot affect the search results.

Yes sir, it certainly will be a great day 

Never will happen, but that would be a great day.

Effectively it will, though killing SEO entirely would require killing the Internet - since you'll never stop one crawler's ability to see what's where and one site's ability to present spider food, link relevance, etc.  However, search engines will largely be a thing of the past following the critical tipping point of the one-to-one web world.  Then search engines, SEO, and the rest of the battle for the eyeballs will be relegated to novelty and profitless presentation of non-critical information.

Being on the first page of search results is already close to meaningless, unless your "search" is so specific that a "search" is not even necessary.  There's still tons upon tons of money in the game but it will crash faster than Enron when the real profits resurface in rich-content and highly relevant clouds.  itto has spoken, and now it is written - so mote it be 

The encyclopedia will always be needed, but whether it's the dominant force in decision making will be anyone's guess ... and probably sooner than later.

Yeppers.  Here's to SEO reaching encyclopedia-yellow-pages-land   

Hypocrisy.

What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. Large sites with name brands and lots of volume can cloak, but I can't?

Also, blatant misinformation. Matt Cutts cannot be trusted, he has a documented history of saying things that are half-truths or blatant lies in order to mislead SEOs and make Google's job easier. I completely understand his position but I do not tolerate out-and-out dishonesty.

Bottom line is their contempt for my profession. They keep telling us that we shouldn't need SEOs, but that will never be true until they can fix their product. They tell us to "design websites for users and not for search"...well, search exists and it's a driving factor to my bottom line, so get used to my business using yours - it's called a mutually beneficial relationship. Google has never been a fan of mutually beneficial relationships, they want to own everything themselves. A classic example is a certain client of mine whose business model is being poo-poo'ed. Not because it's not a legitimate business model, oh no nothing like that. Google has flat out told us that they don't like our business model because *they want the revenue it generates for themselves*. So instead of sending organic traffic to my client's site, they've confided in me that they will be phasing the site out of their organic results altogether in order to show their own product placements...IN ORGANIC SEARCH RESULTS.

Yeah, that's why I hate Google.

Thanks vs.  That makes perfect sense to me and probably the main reason I've been missing where a lot of the heat is coming from.  That totally sucks.  I would only comment that I personally see SEO as essentially inorganic in nature, whether skewed by site optimization or the SE provider.  Organic anything can only happen when optimization of all kinds is removed, assuming a decent level of SE intelligence.  But regardless that's the kind of thing that everyone deserves to have outed.  This includes Apple, Google, M$, etc. etc. 

Thanks for all the answers Cache!  I'm giving Bing another shot

[nop_90]

Hypocrisy.
What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. Large sites with name brands and lots of volume can cloak, but I can't?

And jealousy
Reminds me of http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Expats
Expats always cry about the evils of corruption etc, but meanwhile are the first ones reaching for thier wallets.
I find it fucking hilarious that all of you are crying about google stealing data /  privacy, meanwhile we track every fucking click of our visitors, geo-locate them etc.

Also people need an "enemy".
Again my all of my problems are caused by google. My dog died because of google etc.

LMFAO @ the best day will be when SEO will not affect search results.
Fucking SEO has existed since the beginning of time.

Every go to a christian revival crusade ?
No fucking coincidence that all of the singers are dressed in white (signifies virginity).
Fucking all of them are sexy as shit, but in a coy manner so they do not look like sluts.
Primitive brain saids hmmmm convert to this religion, then I can go fuck one of them.

For the female audience. Preacher is kind of macho, but in a reserved manner.
Primitive female brain things hmmm his sperm would be good to impregnate me, he would make a good protector.
But on the other hand he is not violent and will not beat me.
All coupled with nice entertaining music at a certain beat and rythm to cater to our primitive brains.
Fuck with all that flash, preacher can say any shit and have people agreeing.

I love a good revival crusade 



 

[isthisthingon]

LMFAO @ the best day will be when SEO will not affect search results.
Fucking SEO has existed since the beginning of time.

   What were you born in '95? 

Every go to a christian revival crusade ?
No fucking coincidence that all of the singers are dressed in white (signifies virginity).
Fucking all of them are sexy as shit, but in a coy manner so they do not look like sluts.
Primitive brain saids hmmmm convert to this religion, then I can go fuck one of them.

For the female audience. Preacher is kind of macho, but in a reserved manner.
Primitive female brain things hmmm his sperm would be good to impregnate me, he would make a good protector.
But on the other hand he is not violent and will not beat me.
All coupled with nice entertaining music at a certain beat and rythm to cater to our primitive brains.
Fuck with all that flash, preacher can say any shit and have people agreeing.

I believe you've unwittingly illustrated one of the main reasons SEO is ultimately dead: content relevance 

Ponder this question: is the process of searching the web and scrolling through pages of results enjoyable, effective, trustable and your preferred method of finding the things you want online?  Regardless of your answer, think about the answer that truthfully would come from the masses.  Nobody likes searching for anything, period.  People may like the serendipitous feeling of finding cool new things but when all you want is x and all you can find is y your blood pressure rises.  Why is this?  Because ultimately if people had what they really wanted online - an Internet that knows what they really want    - they wouldn't spend another wasted moment of their lives searching fruitlessly for things they desired.  Unfortunately the things people really want lose the SEO battles to savvier SEO hucksters or to the monstrous search engines themselves, as vs pointed out.

So then, what if you went online and with every minute of your chosen virtual travels your experience was continuously tailored to the things that meant most to you?  What if you could completely abandon the nasty, saturated world of used car salesmen fighting to grab your wallet first in exchange for giving a measured portion of your cash to a set of services that you:

• trusted
• liked
• wanted
• and that improve with use

Rhetorical I realize.  But if you truly believe in evolution, and in this case it regards technology, then all you have to do is connect the dots to understand that eventually those who realize what people will choose to pay for will provide it, when the medium is adequately understood.

SEO is eventually dead because it's unnecessary, unwanted, and serves only the clever enough to ride the artificially bloated wave it temporarily rides upon.  User intelligence doesn't even factor in to this equation.  Provide cheaper better 24/7 milk at the corner store and watch as the mega-grocery mart downtown fades into inevitable extinction.  It's not rocket science 

[isthisthingon]

Oh yeah one more thing, nop_90 

[nop_90]

@isthisthingon
By seo this is what I mean.
In the hunt for a mate, the male desires certain types of traits which he thinks will give him good offspring.
The female then accentuates these traits with cosmetics etc.
So basically the male is searching for a mate, the female does SEO to make herself more marketable

Again for your idea of why most consumers purchase things is wrong.
When I go shopping for a laptop, i tell the salesperson i want a laptop that has these specs.
I then tell him to go get all the laptops, along with manuals and show them to me.
If he starts to make some sort of noise distracting me while I am pondering my choice, i tell him to STFU.
If he opens his gob again I walk out.
(I suspect that most of us on this board including u are like that except a little more polite about it)

But bottom lines is most people do not know what they want.
Hence the need for a saleman.
A good saleman guides the client like the way a good jockey guides a horse.
A good salesman allows the client to think that the choices that he makes are his own.
Why, because most people do not know WTF they want.

You speak of not wanting to "waste" your time searching for certain items.
A very logical/rational idea.
But if you where correct shopping malls would not be full of people just looking at items.
They would be like me (or possibly isthisthingon) where they go to the mall, get what ever item they want and come back home right away.

You are 100% correct that user intelligence does not factor into the equation.
Most choices people make are based on emotion not logic.
Contrary to economic theory price has little to do with the matter.

I first became aware of this when my dad was incharge of newspaper circulation for vending machines.
My dad happened to work for an evening paper.
His boss kept on bitching about how they where losing sales because many of the boxes where empty by 6pm.
My dad argued against increasing amount of papers in the boxes.
Finally to shut his boss up he agreed. Sales decreased.
When people percieve a scarcity of an item they are more inclined to buy it even if they do not really need the item.
After 3 months of declining circulation, they turned back to the old system.

When i was pushing pharma. I wondered how I could increase conversions.
I had it fairly tasteful, To buy viagra go to http://www dot XXXXXX dot com

Then I changed some of the ads to
TO BUY VIAGRA CLICK HERE
TO BUY VIAGRA CLICK HERE

Fucking conversions /  click thru rate doubled 

[isthisthingon]

By seo this is what I mean.
In the hunt for a mate, the male desires certain types of traits which he thinks will give him good offspring.
The female then accentuates these traits with cosmetics etc.
So basically the male is searching for a mate, the female does SEO to make herself more marketable

Get it - and this will never change IMO since it's human nature.

But bottom lines is most people do not know what they want.
Hence the need for a saleman.
A good saleman guides the client like the way a good jockey guides a horse.
A good salesman allows the client to think that the choices that he makes are his own.
Why, because most people do not know WTF they want.

You speak of not wanting to "waste" your time searching for certain items.
A very logical/rational idea.
But if you where correct shopping malls would not be full of people just looking at items.
They would be like me (or possibly isthisthingon) where they go to the mall, get what ever item they want and come back home right away.

I'm actually right with you, but here's the twist.  What if the mall owners or shop owners within the malls knew how to bypass the random and less unpredictable path of lemonade stand style of commerce?  It's not human nature that's in question here because I believe we see this in a very similar way.  It's realizing what the skilled and knowledgeable will inevitably do to maximize profits, like water cutting through and shaping the Grand Canyon.

I guess it comes down to this for me.  Whenever I get a sneak peek at the future and truly get what profit minded people will capitalize on once they understand how to leverage things properly, it's always been a forgone conclusion that they will take predictable advantage of it.  Serve up sexy, cheap convenience to 99.99% of humanity and I'm betting on the sellout

Search engines might have a profitable future IF they transform into a stupid-proof, simplistic medium of idiocracy caliber click-n-find convenience.  Otherwise the clouds of "75% needs satisfied" will channel the profits away from the SEO vanguards of marketing until they produce a better cloud cluster to be in or fade into web adolescent obscurity, IMO

[isthisthingon]

To buy viagra go to http://www dot XXXXXX dot com

Link problems abound my friend.  It's broken and sends you to: http://www dot asspics dot com/freeporn/ 

But bottom line, at the end of the cliché, and stepping out of the box, in the long run this is all that matters:

[perkiset]

Modified both previous posts... speaking of SEO, no need to send juice out to nowhere or for asspics...

[isthisthingon]

   Sry perks!

[perkiset]

Oh NW ITTO, just a little modness. NW at all.