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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2009, 09:42:21 AM »

the reason I never went down the JAVA road far enough was very simple.

My boss at the time came to me and said,
"Whats this JAVA thing i hear about. It's for enterprise level companies, we should be using that"

My response, "ok i'll get right on it"
and then wrote it all in classic ASP.

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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2009, 11:51:17 AM »

Our parent company is a Java shop, we're a PHP shop and they rag on us about how awful our page load times are.
Your PHP guys just need some tweaking then. Used correctly, it is not a slowpoke. In fact, I'd doubt that your Java boys could produce pages much faster than my stuff. In a straight head-to-head single-proc no DB test they'd almost certainly beat me ... but in a real world app they'd have their hands full, I think.


Their page load times do not go over 200 ms. Ever. If gbot reports a page load time of over 1k ms, they freak out.

They have more money to spend on hardware.

Also, we're talking about MASSIVE sites. We're talking over a million uniques a day just from organic search, per site.
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2009, 12:02:45 PM »

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Perhaps this is just a way to try to get some momentum for the language back.

 Ditto

Java just seems like yesterday's language for many reasons, at least to me.  Even with the added support of web services (covering up the smell of CORBA), the EJB framework is frighteningly reminiscent of the 80s-90s n-tier architectures that were fantastic alternatives to mainframes but not always the right choice for the nimble requirements of service oriented architectures.  Taking this a step further into cloud computing, it's no surprise that languages such as PHP are frequently selected over Java.  No matter how hard they beat the "OS compatibility" drum, there's increasingly less justification to cement yourself into an architectural pit of complexity and maintenance challenges, especially with such flagrant overallocation of memory 
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2009, 02:06:09 PM »

Not sure how current this is but .......
http://www.saurik.com/id/1
http://www.saurik.com/id/5

Basically it seems apple basically did what ipaq (Compaq's pocket pc) before they got bought out by HP
With the origional ipaq you could wipe out the windows ce and install linux on it.
From there you basically had a small linux box complete with xserver Cheesy, which was pretty cool even considering how old the hardware was.
Biggie was that storage then was really expensive (ie SD cards etc)
When HP buy compaq the project was dumped.
Also the GUI (or what ever u want to call it) is ObjC. Python already has a binding for that.

Big problem was when MS made windows CE it was a "stripped version" of the real windows.
Even more stupid was that MS on WinCE did not even have a complete standard C library and replaced these functions with thier own stupid versions.
So basically it made porting very hard.
So it appears get your favorite open source language and compile almost.

The biggie python has going for it was that early on it was adopted by the "scientific comunity".
Scientists had all these C/fortran libraries which they wanted to use from python.
As a result the ability to interface from python to C is very simple and there are a multitude of options open.
(ok it is never simple when u do that, but with python a lot easier Cheesy)

If you are concerned about "size" of the binary (which is not really an issue on the iphone).
lua or something like "chicken scheme" would be logical choices. Both wieght in at like 300-400K
Also in lua and "chicken scheme" interfacing to C is quite easy.
lua is heavily used by the gaming industry since it was designed from the start to be an embedded language.

Anyway got side tracked reading about "jailed" iphones and apple app store. Kind of a two edged sword.
There is the anti-trust issue but on the other hand with nokia and wince cellphones which are not jailed the danger was not as great.
To make a malious program for a wince based cell phone, how many targets are available, even if it is running wince what is the odds it has the same processor as the one u where targeting etc. So the chance of spreading this malicious program is slim etc.

With the internet it was designed from the military so it has reduncies in there, it is designed to work under extreme conditions, parts of it knocked out, and i am not sure if the designers thought of this but maybe even some sort of enemy infiltration. From what i understand the cellphone system was designed with the assumption that only "legitimate" devices would be using it.

If the only users of IPhones where people on this board lets say, having a non-jailed iphone is no problem. But they are not. 99% of people are techie stupid, they will install any POS. What would be the consequences of a simple thing like a malicous program that just dialed numbers in lets say NYC ?

I used to be all "freedom" and choice for the people. But I guess living in PH has changed me Smiley. Here is is very diverse. Even in families. Often the oldest brother of a family will "sacrafice" himself. At age 14-15 he will quit school and work so that the rest of his brothers can go to university. So you end up with wierd paradoxes Cheesy. An oldest brother who is little more then a thug, the man speaks "cow english". He is intelligent then but not knowledeable. Nice guy, just he has never been to school. Then you are shocked to find out that his next brother is a medical doctor. And the other brother is a dean in a prominant university. It is comical when they all stand next to each other. The oldest brother looks like a cave man Cheesy he even lives in a simple house etc. Meanwhile the other 2 brothers are filipino yuppies Cheesy driving a BMW. Probably the younger brothers would buy the oldest brother a BMW, but what does he want with a BMW when all his friends live in the mountains in houses which do not even have glass windows, and the BMW is too big to fit on the road and will get broken Cheesy. And this contrast can happen in a matter of 5-10 km.

In singapore when it gained independence there was a similar situtation. Maybe 10-20% of the population extremely educated. 80-90% so backwards it is not funny. You can not use "intellectual" arguements why you should not just piss on the street, or spit on the street. This is the habit of the 80% of the population. And in a traditional society pissing and spitting on the street is no danger, but in a large city of 10+million it is. So basically you just have to enforce "draconian" measures. You spit on the street first offence $100 fine, next offense a flogging. Now that singapore is a rich country they are now able to educate these 90% etc. And so they no longer need to be so strict. Here again the wheels fall off democracy. If you had an election in singapore 40 years ago and voted on "spitting in the street" the 90% of the people would think it is a great idea Cheesy

When i first lived here, with my help I attempted to use "logical" arguments why they should do things the way I told them. I found out it is a waste of breath. Do what I say, I am the boss etc. If you want to work for me do this or you fired.

On principal I am against "jailed iphones" and only apple store distributing apps but .........






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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2009, 02:15:32 PM »

holy crap. this thread is in the running for largest average word count.
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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2009, 02:20:54 PM »

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holy crap. this thread is in the running for largest average word count.

 ROFLMAO

... and it's raining digression Grin  Gotta love the Cache.
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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2009, 06:15:53 PM »

Yeah I need to train you guys how to do the tl;dr. Sometimes I just need a 2 minute break from a problem, not a half-hour-long eye-straining snooze fest.

Ok, maybe that last bit was a little bombastic. Most of the time it's 100% fascinating. Though sometimes I have to skip entire sections of nop's soliloquies for lack of comprehension.
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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2009, 06:40:54 PM »

Using nop and soliloquy in the same sentence betrays our faith in your linguistic mastery @vsloathe  Devilish
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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2009, 08:15:23 PM »

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Aironic&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g5g%3As1
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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2009, 08:22:24 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2009, 09:15:47 PM »

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=geeks
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2009, 06:59:40 AM »

ROFLMAO

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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2009, 03:17:24 PM »

Thanks, thought I was missing it. I'm on exactly the same page.

And BTW, I think that the rumored Media Tablet that Apple is working on is precisely to start to target the gap you are speaking of.

it kinda sounds like they'd like their engines to start being built into everyday appliances.  what if your fridge, microwave, lights, tv & car were all imbedded with an engine. 

and you could buy programs for your car & and your television...that is what they are 'envisioning'.  i think it's a little farfetched, but who knows. 
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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2009, 03:37:44 PM »

We don't need any of that stuff.

Develop the technology to upload human consciousness into a computer already. That's all we really need.
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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2009, 03:41:55 PM »

Are you a reader of Ray Kurzweill and believe in the possibility of the singularity then?
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