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« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2010, 11:16:27 AM »

 ROFLMAO  Right on vs Smiley
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« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2010, 11:33:21 AM »

You can't do what you like with something that you purchased. Some people don't see a problem with that, I always have. I wouldn't buy a car if the manufacturer tried to tell me which roads I was allowed to drive it on.

Maybe not roads, but they sure as hell will void your warranty the instant you do anything to/with your car that is outside the acceptable use and modifications clause of your warranty. So jailbreaking violates the warranty on the iphone.

Freedom is a powerful force. 

lol. hypocrite. You have the freedom to buy (or not) any product you want, if you deem the license/agreement acceptable for you to grace the company with your dollars.
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you have arbitrarily decided that I should not purchase something with a different, more restrictive license/agreement than what you have deemed to be maximum acceptable discomfort?

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« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2010, 11:35:21 AM »

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I just feel that, as a human being, I have the responsibility to make choices that reflect the kind of world I would want to live in.

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I can't imagine approaching life in any other way.  Yet this hits the disconnect nail on the head.  For the most part, and especially in America, we feel a bizarre sense of entitlement where we expect to live in one way and others get to live in less desirable circumstances as part of the unacknowledged, global caste society.  If you scratch the surface you find fear-power-control-selfish-elitism currents that will fight to the death before allowing themselves to be revealed.  Don't challenge the American Way  Don't make me...
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« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2010, 12:03:52 PM »

Maybe not roads  ( Idea... as perks would say, my work is done here  ROFLMAO )

Freedom is a powerful force. 

lol. hypocrite. You have the freedom to buy (or not) any product you want, if you deem the license/agreement acceptable for you to grace the company with your dollars.
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you have arbitrarily decided that I should not purchase something with a different, more restrictive license/agreement than what you have deemed to be maximum acceptable discomfort?

I have arbitrarily decided that you should not purchase something.  If that were so I'd agree with you.  You should follow your true will, truly.  I have no judgments about what you do with your own money.  Likewise, I have personal and passionate reasons for how and where I spend my own money. 

@hypocrite -

It's a personal, organic, work in progress this thing called life.  How can I stomp on my gas pedal and enjoy the thrill of acceleration with a clear conscience yet also support alternative, renewable resources in favor of fossil fuels?  How can I possibly grin ear-to-ear playing games on a closed system like Windows?  It's hard to say.  It's a personal set of choices and a personal set of ethics, the balance of which is also very personal.

But consider the litterbug who screams loudest at the recycleist who trashed a tin can  ROFLMAO
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« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2010, 12:18:13 PM »

You can't do what you like with something that you purchased. Some people don't see a problem with that, I always have. I wouldn't buy a car if the manufacturer tried to tell me which roads I was allowed to drive it on.

Maybe not roads, but they sure as hell will void your warranty the instant you do anything to/with your car that is outside the acceptable use and modifications clause of your warranty. So jailbreaking violates the warranty on the iphone.

Freedom is a powerful force. 

lol. hypocrite. You have the freedom to buy (or not) any product you want, if you deem the license/agreement acceptable for you to grace the company with your dollars.
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you have arbitrarily decided that I should not purchase something with a different, more restrictive license/agreement than what you have deemed to be maximum acceptable discomfort?



Yeah I had some thoughts about spelling this out but figured most people would get it. I'll spell it out anyway:

I won't tell anyone how to spend their money.

I'm simply airing my opinion. Clearly, I'm willing to compromise since I own an iPhone, a Mac Mini, several licenses for Microsoft software and a Microsoft Action Pack subscription. That doesn't change what I would *like* to be true though, and so I work towards and make choices towards that ideal.
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« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2010, 12:37:29 PM »

Ok ok I get it. Your both communists 
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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2010, 09:56:35 PM »

Don't challenge the American Way  Don't make me...
Everyone is a hypercrite.
After living in various different vastly different cultures, they all share one thing in common.
For the most part people are xenophobic, and want to think their system is the best.
If u start affecting that ego thingie, people get pissed Smiley
You start turning over rocks u are not supposed to, u are asking for trouble  ROFLMAO
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« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2010, 08:17:26 AM »

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For the most part people are xenophobic, and want to think their system is the best.
If u start affecting that ego thingie, people get pissed
You start turning over rocks u are not supposed to, u are asking for trouble

Agreed.  Yet in many places the enforcement of such is implied and it's the danger of challenging the norm that people avoid, for obvious reasons.  In America we have the audacity to suggest that such a thing doesn't even exist and truly try to force false freedom beliefs down your throat.  So rather than saying "you betcha we're the best thing ever," knowing it's simply safer to say, here we demand you say it and demand true, genuine mental submission to these falsehoods at the threat of being deemed an irrelevant, deviant, idiot or even worse... a communist!  Shocked

So I get a thrill out of revealing the obvious and watching fierce opposition from those who sold out their truths for greater social acceptance, money, power, control, etc.
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« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2010, 03:42:09 PM »

So I get a thrill out of revealing the obvious and watching fierce opposition from those who sold out their truths for greater social acceptance, money, power, control, etc.
Going back to the map is not the terroritory theory ....
People make a map which is how they see the world.
This map is inheriently flawed. Since the world is too complex to be represented on a simple map.

These "maps" decide what people do. International policy etc.
Most people never sold out anything. How can you sell an illusion  ROFLMAO ROFLMAO
Well i guess you can, the USA gov't is issuing T-Bills and are telling people it is a safe investment, and so far they are succeeding  ROFLMAO ROFLMAO

The post where i made the comment allong the lines that Steve Jobs by all accounts is a paranoid control freak.
The response was very interesting.
Ironically it was viewed that these qualities in a leader are "negative".
It is because of these qualities of Job that apple became a success in the first place. When a company is young, the leader has to make sure things get done.
But later on what where qualities which where benificial, they begin to be a liability.
People are mentally lazy, changing their mental maps requires energy. And will not change unless forced to.

Mental maps are a paradox. They can be extremely resilient, but at the same time extremely fragile. Take for example the US dollar. Fuk all is backing it up. USA is a zillion dollar in debt. Yet majority of people still believe in it. But when things are in this state, it is like a bunch of snow piled up on a mountain. All of a sudden someone sneezing, 1 snow flake, can cause an avalanche. All of a sudden the map is destroyed, and thier illusion is destroyed.
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« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2010, 10:13:53 PM »

nop.. you might be interested in this on TED talk about maps. Sorry but I can't remember name of the talk or speaker but the basic idea was this: maps made by government are pointless because they only create wars. True maps should be based on where people live. For example if you look at the map of China based on population, it looks a lot like ancient map of China when China still had this huge piece of land from Russia. The guy also shows with pretty clear examples how many of middle-east conflicts are because how the current map lines divides original population. It was pretty eye-opening talk and made me realize that only way earth will ever find peace is to be one nation. I know it's not going to happen for a loooonnngggg time but as long as we have border lines, we will always have conflicts.
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« Reply #55 on: May 09, 2010, 05:34:48 AM »

@kurdt, i like looking at "real maps" as in a map designed to represent a land area Smiley.

I probably mentioned this before, I talk about maps as in "The map is not the territory"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation

How people see their world is very interesting. And thinking about it how "maps" are drawn reflect how different people's see the world.

If you can dig it up, i will listen to it Smiley. Even if i do not agree with something 100%, or for that matter disagree i still am interested Smiley


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« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2010, 09:16:30 AM »

Organized religion: map-"territory" salad.
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