The Cache: Technology Expert's Forum
 
*
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register. February 12, 2012, 06:28:00 PM

Login with username, password and session length


Pages: [1] 2 3 4
  Print  
Author Topic: Jean-Louis Gassee on "Very Personal Computing"  (Read 2724 times)
perkiset
Olde World Hacker
Administrator
Lifer
*****
Online Online

Posts: 9792



View Profile
« on: May 03, 2010, 11:57:04 PM »

JLG does a really nice piece here, showing how, from his perspective, "The smartphone isn't just a new genre, it's a complete reboot of personal computing."

Basking in logical conclusions and slightly verbose opinion, he makes a great case for the graying of desktop PCs and their slow but steady trod towards insignificance ... or at least much less significance. He uses Apple and HP as the primary movers, but it's not about Apple, it's about the financial impact of smart mobile devices.

A good read, but a bit long. Worth skimming at least.

http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/05/02/very-personal-computing/
Logged

It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
kurdt
Lifer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1153


paha arkkitehti


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 02:09:39 AM »

Hehe, this guy is so last century Smiley It's not about the rise of personal computing, it's all about rise of ubiquitous computing. Making chips smaller is just another way to sell computing chips to people and make profit. To claim it's new way of personal computing is just another marketing gimmick to sell more chips. That's not what I had in mind.
Logged

I met god and he had nothing to say to me.
vsloathe
vim ftw!
Global Moderator
Lifer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1669



View Profile
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2010, 07:43:40 AM »

I concur Kurdt. I'm not ready to give up my primary tool of the trade (my keyboard, which I pound furiously for 12-20 hours a day) just yet.
Logged

hai
perkiset
Olde World Hacker
Administrator
Lifer
*****
Online Online

Posts: 9792



View Profile
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 08:29:30 AM »

I disagree. The article is not about either of you as archetypes, it's about the computing world in general, and more specifically, the finance that drives it.

"Last century?" Kurdt the guy's outlining the flow of money, not the state of chips. It's where the public is spending it's technology dollars, and what that means for the future. Even more on point, what this means to the public corporations that people a investing in, and where you might consider putting your money in the future. 
Logged

It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
kurdt
Lifer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1153


paha arkkitehti


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 09:40:46 AM »

I disagree. The article is not about either of you as archetypes, it's about the computing world in general, and more specifically, the finance that drives it.

"Last century?" Kurdt the guy's outlining the flow of money, not the state of chips. It's where the public is spending it's technology dollars, and what that means for the future. Even more on point, what this means to the public corporations that people a investing in, and where you might consider putting your money in the future. 
I disagree that you disagree with me. His mindset is last century. Flow of money is what he tries to predict. I don't think his prediction is correct. Flow of money will change dramatically in the future.
Logged

I met god and he had nothing to say to me.
daviator
Expert
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 294


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 11:04:55 AM »

I disagree that you disagree with me.

I disagree with all of your disagreement.  Can't we all just get along?   Devilish

Actually, I pretty much agree with Perks.  Traditional PCs and notebooks are not going away, but they will increasingly become unnecessary as household appliances, as the mass market moves to more mobile and accessible devices.  Folks who are creating content professionally will still need something like a "real" computer for the foreseeable future.

It was interesting to see Gassée's name popped up, haven't heard of (or thought about) him in a LONG time... you young'uns may not realize that he ran Apple's Macintosh division (having taken the job over from Steve Jobs) for many years, among other roles there.  He was very nearly the face of Apple that Jobs is today.
Logged
nop_90
Global Moderator
Lifer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2203


View Profile
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 03:44:42 PM »

"Last century?" Kurdt the guy's outlining the flow of money, not the state of chips. It's where the public is spending it's technology dollars, and what that means for the future.
The guy is "last century" tech wise, IPhone,IPad etc are all last centuary Smiley The start of the age of motor cars was in 1950, tech wise very last centuary, but it was at that time there where enuff roads, people where used to to concept of horseless carriages etc Smiley

Very good article (except for the tech points  ROFLMAO )
Key is the "S" curve graph, who ever start out initially where it starts will make very large profit since they can charge much higher rate.

I interpret his numbers differently.
: Apple makes $3B of profit from its iPhone while HP takes in a mere $500M on its PCs—that’s a 6x difference. The Center of Money has shifted.

: Apple makes $3B of profit from its iPhone while HP takes in a mere $500M on its PCs—that’s a 6x difference. The Center of Money has shifted.

As an aside a very good book is http://www.walmarteffectbook.com/ the book attempts to provide a balances view of walmart. It shows both pro and cons of walmart. In a nutshell the secret behind walmart is "velocity" as in how fast they move their products. And their ability to cut costs, walmart only makes like $3 profit per an hour per employee. So literally walmart can not increase wages Smiley

HP is kinda like the walmart of computing. When the first HP came out they where a joke. Not saying HP will succeed in small computing market, just saying that when apple is making 50-60% profit on each product that is very dangerous for them Smiley. To paraphrase Bill Gates, you have to price product so competition can not enter, and yet you maximize profit Smiley. Obviously with 50-60% profit with a device, leave lots of room for compeditiors to enter.

A couple of month backs a friend of mine buy a samsung smart phone with wince for 25K, a big difference from 40K. Was it as nice as iphone, no. But in fairness to the device, it had the same memory, had the same basic applications as an iphone, it was unlocked. My biggest bitch was that the on screen keyboard was not as sensitive as iphone's. I was pretty hard to explain to him that i am paying 100% more for a on screen kb, i personally think it is worth the money, he did not. Obviously samsung is only make $100 per device vs apple is making $500 Smiley.

HP taking over palm, can they fix palm's production problems and streamline Huh? Another factor that people overlook is the handheld gaming devices. The manufactures of these products have been making small devices for over 10 years. Since the competition in this area is very stiff, thier profit margin is quite small. A gaming device sells for like ~$200. So these guys are lean mean fighting machines Smiley. So it would not be impossible for them to make some sort of smart phone device that sells for $250.

Also another big player is Dell. Dell's profit margins are very small. But like HP and walmart they make up for it in "velocity" (how fast they turn over inventory). I think DELL has a velocity of 40+. Most companies are lucky if they have 5-10. So $$$ are not everything. If a company has a velocity of 5, that means that for every $100 of investment they are selling $500 worth of product. While DELL with a velocity of 50 is selling $5000 worth of product for $100 investment. So the big picture is that DELL can do the same thing with an investment of $100 what another company needs to invest $1K. So DELL is a lean mean fighting machine Smiley.

Anyway good article, food for thought Smiley
Logged
perkiset
Olde World Hacker
Administrator
Lifer
*****
Online Online

Posts: 9792



View Profile
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2010, 04:25:13 PM »

@ Last Century: You boys are way off base. Don't imagine that just because you see or perceive something means that other's more global observations are out of sync. His analysis tracks nicely on exactly what IS happening - his tech notions are not last century, they are about the actuality of NOW.

I'll tell you what: you boys go put a bunch of money into funds that you think are "actually this century" and wait about 10 years before they mature. Have at. I'd rather watch the roller coasters of today, armed with analysis of the way the real worlds works and make a shitload of money now.

Betcha I'm on the beach before you... Wink
Logged

It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
isthisthingon
Global Moderator
Lifer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2868



View Profile
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2010, 04:48:14 PM »

He was very nearly the face of Apple that Jobs is today.

Right.  Brainchild of the Newton too.  Drank Apple juice for a decade  Shocked  Probably dreams in Objective C by now.

Quote
He uses Apple and HP as the primary movers, but it's not about Apple...

 Undecided  Dubious assertion that just happens to favor Apple.  Who said anything about Apple anyway?  Grin
Logged

I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.
perkiset
Olde World Hacker
Administrator
Lifer
*****
Online Online

Posts: 9792



View Profile
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2010, 04:53:46 PM »

As a financial adviser it would be monsterously imprudent not to acknowledge and focus on Apple's stellar growth and improbable comeback. The logical question is, "Why has Apple done what it's done (financially)?" That helps to guide the hand that invests in the future.
Logged

It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
nop_90
Global Moderator
Lifer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2203


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 05:10:41 PM »

I'll tell you what: you boys go put a bunch of money into funds that you think are "actually this century" and wait about 10 years before they mature. Have at. I'd rather watch the roller coasters of today, armed with analysis of the way the real worlds works and make a shitload of money now.
I do not know perks Smiley.
Huge instability right now, both in world market in general, and in computing devices.
A good chance that in next 5 years US dollar will no longer be global standard.
People in asia are scared shitless of US $$$ and dumping them, the word is out, US dollar not safe to store your money in. Even the OFW with like $5-10K worth of saving is dumping them. 10 million+ OFW adds up quick.

If US dollar collapses, or is no longer standard, same thing will happen to USA what happened to britain in 1925. Britain never lost the empire militarily, first was financial decay, then the rest just fell apart.

Really hard to tell. Back in the late 80s or early 90s. HP had a shit rep. Power supply on them blew really easy. It was a total POS. But when u could buy one for 1/2 the cost .....

Apple is doing the same old isolationistic crap. Looking at the past, same problem as before. Big question is can they pull off this time ?
Not saying u wrong perk i am saying too many uncertainties.

Maybe I am stupid, but I am putting my $$$ in raw land. I probably got ripped off, but i buy 150m of beach front. Compared to other countries beach front is under priced here. Also my thinking is that as china starts to get more prosperous, chinese will want to go on vacations etc. China despite having a large coastline has shit beaches. Me I do not like riding roller coasters, i am too old for it Smiley.

Not saying u wrong perks, just saying maybe u have a crystal ball i do have Smiley
Logged
isthisthingon
Global Moderator
Lifer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2868



View Profile
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2010, 06:18:53 PM »

No question on Apple's financial success.  It seems the article is primarily focused on smart phones, not mobile in general.  I think mobile will be defining and re-defining itself for a long time.  The pad will be for periods sooner than we think, menstrual that is.  I predict we'll see a glut of over-engineering, over-design and over-featured devices before the scaled-back sweet spot reveals itself and the masters of product replication at the lowest cost will dive in and take over 

Then the Apples of the world would have to make us believe mobile is so 2010 and we really need a new class of device  Roll Eyes

One price point element that rc has touched on before involves the theoretical spending limits for something like this.  I believe he said $149 and I'll buy 2, $500 forget about it.  But durability and theft protection, or otherwise losing your fragile investment will probably become ceiling factors for spending.

But in reality, I have no idea what's going to happen, and I believe the guessing game of others is more personal hunch than substance 
Logged

I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.
nop_90
Global Moderator
Lifer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2203


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2010, 07:11:14 PM »

As a financial adviser it would be monsterously imprudent not to acknowledge and focus on Apple's stellar growth and improbable comeback. The logical question is, "Why has Apple done what it's done (financially)?" That helps to guide the hand that invests in the future.

Reading that statement again, basically it can be interpreted multiple ways Smiley.
Sounds like some mumbo jumbo a financial adviser would make to justify what ever stock/fund/scheme he is peddling that week. I should become a financial adviser, for them they always make money what ever crap advise they give Smiley

No question on Apple's financial success.  It seems the article is primarily focused on smart phones, not mobile in general.  I think mobile will be defining and re-defining itself for a long time.
Automobile analogy again.
According to the curve for mobile devices we are in the 1930s of automobiles Smiley
Apple is a high end manufacture, how many profitable high end car manufactures that where in 1930 are still around today. To make matters worse, car manufactures could only make a new model every year etc. With electronic devices u can make a new device every week Smiley.

If u "speculate" which is what so called financial advisors want you to do, since every time u buy and sell, there more money they make, then apple in short term makes sense.

If you "invest" with a P/E of 20+ you are down right retarded.

But in reality, I have no idea what's going to happen, and I believe the guessing game of others is more personal hunch than substance 
I agree Smiley. I am just saying this is what history has show in the past. And these are possibilities.
Problem with "hunches" is they are often coupled with "wishfull" thinking.
Logged
isthisthingon
Global Moderator
Lifer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2868



View Profile
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2010, 08:05:39 PM »

Quote
Why has Apple done what it's done (financially)?

A kinder, gentler approach to vendor lock-in that caused us to ask the same questions about Microsoft.  It's not the great user experience.  That's just good enough to justify the real reasons why Apple's margins are whacked in their favor. 

I realize this is no news flash, but 1 million iPads sold in the first 30-days?  Talk about brand hysteria.  They didn't even need to explain what all you were actually getting.  It didn't matter.  The masses couldn't shove money in Apple's face fast enough simply to have the new, cool, inadequately defined pad product.  Apparently it's everything it was never cracked up to be.

Logged

I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.
perkiset
Olde World Hacker
Administrator
Lifer
*****
Online Online

Posts: 9792



View Profile
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2010, 10:39:17 PM »

So funny to me.

If there's a million sold in the first 28 days if HAS to be just a barely good enough user experience for Apple to whack the margin in their favor, or brand hysteria. Amazing.

The actual answer is looking you in the face but you will refuse to acknowledge it. The pad has sold 1mm in the first 28 days because it *is* that great. I've now used it every day, all day, hard since it first came out. If it sucked ass you'd be hearing about it. And from me front and center because if ever there was someone they could let down, it'd be me.

It does not suck ass. Not by a long shot. It is, in fact, everything it's cracked up to be.
Listen closely so you don't get confused: it's not everything. It's everything it's supposed to be.
Logged

It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
Pages: [1] 2 3 4
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Perkiset's Place Home   Best of The Cache   phpMyIDE: MySQL Stored Procedures, Functions & Triggers
Politics @ Perkiset's   Pinkhat's Perspective   
cache
mart
coder
programmers
ajax
php
javascript
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC
Seo4Smf v0.2 © Webmaster's Talks


Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!