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« on: May 10, 2007, 01:57:03 PM »

Hey Guys, this is kinda like a rant / plea for some half decent advice Tongue

I've been trying to make decent sites for some time now, that bring in a few extra quid here n there.
Im not looking to make millions.  As I know once I have a few good sites that bring in a few quid a day I can scale them so it isnt much of a problem.

Im finding it hard starting off though.
I have a great idea for a website, its simple, but if people liked it, it could take off big style.
The problem is if i made it, I have no idea how to go about getting people to use it.

The niche is extremely saturated so SEO traffic would be next to impossible even though the site is unique and afaik its never been done before.
Advertising on other websites requires money I dont have.
And most the players in the field are too big to link to a small site [I would have thought?]

But I know there is no direct competition for this website it just happens to sit and feed off a big niche.
So how the hell am i meant to get people to use it?!

Anyone have any ideas?
P.s. i have been purposefully vague because ive not made it yet, gimmie a week or so and i might have it made.
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2007, 03:01:23 PM »

vague is fine.

to start, build it. sometimes you'd be surprised that it doesnt turn out how you thought. but if it does.
traffic is the issue. the best way is to search digg and assorted big blogs to find articles that relate to what you are doing. post an intelligent comment with your link, even just in your username is fine. if the comment is intelligent, and not just "great blog", you'll get visitors. but at least you also get a link.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2007, 03:33:43 PM »

True dude true.

I suppose I dont want to invest a few months of my time making and then promoting a site if its not going to work.
But then again if you dont try you dont get anywhere!

I think one of the problems at the minute is that I havent got a network of mates who I can use to bounce off.
I.e. i launch a site, if its related they blog about it or link to it etc. And vice versa.

But then to get a network of peeps ya need to spend all your life on forums [like im starting to do with this one lol] and never get anything done! ARGH catch 22!!
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2007, 04:01:59 PM »

NBs is right MM - the biggest secret to success is to actually do something.

IMO, you should be equally confortable with the fact that it might meet or exceed your expectations, or fall completely flat and die. With any business venture, you must simply analyze the risks and decide if the potential upside is worth the risk of complete and utter failure. It's not magic - the best business people simply have a more keen sense of what will be a good gamble. And more often than not, this is not a gift at birth - it's a hard earned skill born of some really nasty failures.

Give it a go mate - don't extend yourself into your savings any more than you must to give it a try and see what happens. Do yourself this one favor: do not rely on it for anything except the personal satisfaction of taking the leap. Restrictions/limitations/requirements on an infant business 99% of the time are the kiss of death.


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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2007, 04:13:49 PM »

I suppose I dont want to invest a few months of my time making and then promoting a site if its not going to work.
But then again if you dont try you dont get anywhere!

i totally get that. its the biggest issue. so rough it out. dont spend any time on "pretty". just get the basic features done. then make it pretty enough to show some folks. say what you are going to add. if they like it, power through to the end, if not, still can go forward, they just might not be the right crowd. up to you. The downside of bouncing off of friends is, they lie. "oh that great! you did that? im impressed!"  Jackoff if i wanted to be jerked off i would put on some porn and do it myself. its hard to make it clear that you want honesty. they arent going to hurt your feelings. they have to know that, if they dont, its no point in asking.
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2007, 04:50:50 PM »

if i wanted to be jerked off i would put on some porn and do it myself.

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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2007, 01:08:41 AM »

LOL that could make a good website, jerkmeoff.com Tongue its like friend finder but slightly different....

Cheers for the comments guys
I think I'll definately go ahead with it.

Will let ya know how it goes!
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2007, 01:58:54 AM »

<quote>NBs is right MM - the biggest secret to success is to actually do something.</quote>
Yep pretty much about it Smiley.
Kinda like people who make stupid comments like i wish i could code as good as u.
Well buddy do it for like 8 years 20 hours a day Smiley
Actually do anything for 8 years 20 hours a day Wink

I believe in gambling.
As in look at how much you risk, look at what they gains are.
Most people thier opinions in most things are worth little.
Ussually they either tell u it great like NB said, when it stupid idea,
Or they tell u it stupid idea when it good idea.

Anyway get off ur ass and start coding 
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2007, 04:59:02 AM »

Monkey, in some post on this board you say :
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I run a large member based site

Looks to me you've already got a popential userbase. Just build your site as planned and get some people from that other site you're running to come test/play.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2007, 06:14:23 AM »

Completely different sites though, I can't really transfer them or sell them.
I had thought about developing more sites in my existing niche, which I have done to an extent, but they are generally sods to monetize.

Good idea though, cant knock it, just dont think itd work given the subjects [next time gadget.....next time]
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2007, 09:09:22 AM »

I believe in gambling.

I do as well 100%.

My only add would be that most people come to the table thinking, "Look at how much I could make!" rather than, "I am confortable losing all of this money." The problem for people in any gamble is they are focused on the upside without a REAL appreciation for the potential downside. Upside is easy to deal with. Unanticipated downside can be a killer.

I had an argument with someone once who said that she and I were both the same in our optimism. I had to answer that her form of optimism was to fly forward at full speed with her hands over her eyes - never quite knowing if she is a mile high or inches from disaster. My personal form of optimism is to create a bed of nails which encapsulates every possible way I can imagine getting fucked in a situation... then lying on that bed looking up seeing where I can possible go. Amoun used to say he's an optimist as well... "See! The knife is half OUT of my back!"  ROFLMAO

Realistically assess the risks and your tolerance and then throw the throttle to the floor. That's the only way to do it.

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2007, 09:19:30 AM »

this is equivalent to what I have come to call the "punch in the face factor" or the Pff.

its basically howmuch money would it require for you to allow someone to punch you in the face. This mostly relates to clients. Stupid clients are high PFF. really nice clients who pay well, respect you, etc, low pff. Your best client is someone you'd be willing to "do a favor" for, buy temporarily reducing your fee for example.

when It comes to doing a project for yourself however, you have noone to punch you in the face you assume. oh but no, your wrong. the universe has a giant fist, and its got enough whoop ass for everyone. When I start a personal project, i really only tend to look at how much money i can lose by focusing on it. not just directly, out of pocket, but also indirectly by not taking on client work as an example. Its the normal risk/reward scenario, but so many people get blinded by the possible reward.

Assume the reward will be great, otherwise you wouldn't have been interested in the idea in the first place.
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2007, 09:33:48 AM »

A huge-fisted, universal whoop ass.  ROFLMAO How incredibly true
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2007, 09:18:29 PM »

I suppose I dont want to invest a few months of my time making and then promoting a site if its not going to work.
But then again if you dont try you dont get anywhere!

TD's law #2 "You always miss 100% of the shots you don't take"

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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2007, 02:04:33 AM »

I have decided, to go for broke
And tackle some of the big boys.

In my current niche I am top for the search terms I want, but that only required some careful link text, and good on site seo.
Currently get about 300k hits a month on it, but not very profitable.

So I think im gonna bite the bullit and make a site in a very competetive market.
I think it will be the only way for me to learn more techniques to stay on top.
At current I employ no "out the box" techniques to rank well or get traffic. Something that I need to learn, so no better way to do it than on the job.

If anyone has any advice on where to start with any "out the box" techniques etc feel free to let me know Cheesy
Wish me luck!!!
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