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Author Topic: Google Buzz: you think you killed it, but it is still alive! (cnet.com)  (Read 3799 times)
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« on: February 12, 2010, 02:06:52 PM »

"My colleague Molly Wood called it a privacy nightmare, but to many, Google's new social-networking tool Buzz is at its root an unwanted, unasked for pest. The way some of us see it, we didn't opt in to some newfangled Twitter system and we don't particularly want to see updates from contacts we never asked to follow creep up in our Buzz in-box."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10451703-2.html


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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 02:17:47 PM »

How much more of this does it take to big audience to recognize how crappy company Google is when it comes to launching new products? Can anybody name one single thing in the past 2 years Google has launched without huge problems with not thinking it thru? They launched Google Maps street view few days ago in Finland and already there's at least one police investigation and something like hundred requests for possible privacy violation investigation.
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 08:38:35 AM »

>how much

Among the techies they've apparently crossed the "Evil" line with this one. I'm seeing a fairly broad backlash on sites I routinely read ...not just techie sites, some financial sites as well.

 Gizmodo gives it to them straight:

http://gizmodo.com/5470696/fck-you-google

That said, the average Joe remains clueless and is still largely in fanboi mode.

FWIW, I am convinced that this was not a case of OOPS! We didn't think this through, sorry! but more of We'd rather beg forgiveness rather than ask (opt-in) permission.  G has plenty of long-term experience running social networks; they've owned orkut for years now.  What they needed to offset Twitter and Facebook popularity was a fast, front-and-center injection of their new alternative. Waiting for opt-in would never allow them catch up.

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2010, 09:26:39 AM »

FWIW, I am convinced that this was not a case of OOPS! We didn't think this through, sorry! but more of We'd rather beg forgiveness rather than ask (opt-in) permission.  G has plenty of long-term experience running social networks; they've owned orkut for years now.  What they needed to offset Twitter and Facebook popularity was a fast, front-and-center injection of their new alternative. Waiting for opt-in would never allow them catch up.
I have to disagree. Google has so much users it could had easily convinced people to opt-in to Buzz. Google really doesn't understand social, at all. They had a change with Orkut and they blew it. Now they did something with Buzz that is basically compared to leaking sensitive information about your users by accident like AOL did few years back. It really doesn't matter if it's ok by some people - the underlying point is that Google doesn't really give a fuck who they hurt in order to get more profits. To me this is really turning point when Google actually turned from might-be-evil to is-truly-evil. The saddest part is that they probably don't even realize themselves that they are evil.

It's really worrying that some people are so okay with the fact that Google exposed their private information out to the open like this.
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2010, 09:41:29 AM »

Almost going mainstream now. Made NY Times


Danny Sullivan almost calls them untrustworthy...

"I think the privacy issues earlier this week with Buzz will blow over and not harm the product in the long term," Mr. Sullivan said. But privacy will continue to haunt Google, he said, and many people will point to the release of Buzz as an overreach by Google and a reason that the company could not be trusted.


And the EFF intends to "file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission this week pending its review of Googleís changes.

'Even with these changes, there is still the concern that Gmail users are being driven into a social networking service that they didnít sign up for,'


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/15/technology/internet/15google.html
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2010, 12:43:57 PM »

related, methinks:

Facebook directs more online users than Google

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/02/14/BUU51C0AMN.DTL
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2010, 03:31:54 PM »

>To me this is really turning point when Google actually turned from might-be-evil to is-truly-evil.

 Huh?

I just don't understand why we continue to kid ourselves about what public companies actually are.  "Good" and "Evil" are so far behind profit on the public company priority list it's silly.  Google is a damn efficient money monster.  So is Microsoft.  And yes, the rising champion of this shell game of "contribution to society" is Apple.  Google lost all hope of being "Good" when they went public.  Once public, a company either dies quickly as a result of being "Good" or they do what all others do: maximize shareholder value.  Ethics are the last thing these money missions care about.  But yes, I too get really pissed off when a company leverages the very thing that they cannot possibly be to get ahead at this game: by claiming that they will "do no evil."  It's like Apple squawking about some drop in the bucket donation to some university or Exxon declaring dominance as the leader in our green future.

 Vomit  on them man,  Vomit on them.

Personally I believe Google will never have a chance at commanding any kind of lead in any business where privacy matters, unless they radically re-brand themselves such that the idiocracy masses don't even realize they're in the hands of the great G-beast.  But here's an interesting tidbit about how privacy really doesn't matter to most people when we think it should matter tremendously: unless it's strictly personal information, everyone assumes that everything they utter is reviewable. 

I know many will disagree here and anecdotally explain how users have no clue that their information is being mined.  But consider that every employee of every publicly traded company is asked to read - and sign - HR policy documents that clearly and repeatedly claim that any and all communication that comes out of your brain belongs to them, is reviewed by them and can definitely be used against you.  Otherwise we would have a heck of a time legally perpetuating various forms of discrimination Grin

In summary, telling someone that Google may snoop on them is far less threatening than the fact that the providers of their lunch money - their employers - actually are snooping on them and wouldn't hesitate to radically disrupt their lives if any content was found to be in conflict with their goals and objectives.  I believe that business owners have a skewed perception of how concerned people are about their privacy.  A business owner wants visibility and control of everything, along with complete privacy of their own information.  As an employee, privacy is a luxury enjoyed in only a small portion of your life  Sad
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2010, 10:29:46 PM »

Spot on about the essence of business and how Good/Evil really has no place.

Unfortunately, Google made it so with their no infamous line and haughty attitude about it. The black hat SEO groups (as well as many white hat SEOS) have been at them for the longest time because they had the most opportunity to deal with G's real nature. It's not good. None of this stuff surprises me - nor even that people would be caught by surprise. It is really a challenge here in the US because we simultaneously covet the money that Google has and are horrified at them for being efficient about acquiring it. Kind of like our attitudes about sex here: How dare you speak/enjoy/display any of it. But can I have some too?

@ Apple and environmental stuff: just an aside, and just FYI - Apple took a *major* black eye around '06 when they were slammed (rightfully so) for their environmental record. The truth of the matter is that they were really no more horrible than most of their competitors, and in some cases better - but they bragged about being green and cool and hip and were popular with the green and cool and hip crowd ... and it bit them big.

They've done an admirable job of getting rid of toxic chemicals from their products and production lines, most of their products are now majority-recyclable and they are starting to get deserved positive reviews from the likes of Greenpeace and such. Perfect example of public pressure exposition and a company responding. They've got a way to go, but are in the lead - or at least with the front of the pack - in this arena.
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2010, 10:54:46 PM »

ITTO & Perk: I agree with all you are saying. However my point was that Google has always before kept the private information to themselves and said to public that "they are not doing anything wrong with it". Well, with Buzz they crossed the line and demonstrated for sure that they are doing anything for money no matter what they say in public. Before Buzz there was only the scary "what-if" that some people were talking about but in some way we trusted that Google wouldn't do such a stupid thing (maybe foolishly). With Buzz Google demonstrated that they are willing to cross that line and they don't obviously think things thru. The latter point is the scary one. If they didn't think this thru, what else are they not thinking thru?

But me, I don't expect companies doing anything else except trying to get more profits. It was just surprise that Google crossed the line with this lame product.
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2010, 11:16:59 PM »

It may be the best thing for all of us, if G "just didn't think it through." This may begin to expose them a little more for what they actually are, and get the browsing public to be just a leeeeeetle more cautious about how much they share up in the Google cloud.

They scare the phuquecakes out of me, meng.
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2010, 11:36:51 PM »

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Yep.  I'm just saying count on it, always and forever, and especially when you're told to believe in a public company's intrinsic "goodness" or some red herring "value" that is supposedly greater than amassing cash.  It's always horse poop.  This doesn't mean that great things can't come from publicly traded companies.  However, it does mean that you should throw their stated intentions to the lions and assume they want nothing but an increased market share 
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2010, 12:34:55 AM »

It may be the best thing for all of us, if G "just didn't think it through." This may begin to expose them a little more for what they actually are, and get the browsing public to be just a leeeeeetle more cautious about how much they share up in the Google cloud.

They scare the phuquecakes out of me, meng.
I know what you mean and I would just love to see mainstream media finally stop giving head to Google and telling people like it really is. Google is selling your private information, every search is saved and identifiable to you and so on. But there's a problem... as long as there's no alternative, people will continue using Google. Now the alternative is Bing or Yahoo. But which are doing exactly same thing as Google but not in the same scale.

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Yep.  I'm just saying count on it, always and forever, and especially when you're told to believe in a public company's intrinsic "goodness" or some red herring "value" that is supposedly greater than amassing cash.
Yeah I feel the same way. The whole public stock trading system is basically poison to all goodwill and ideology. It's not that it's evil or bad somehow but it's the nature of it. When you do IPO, you trade your personal ambitions for responsibility to make money for stockholders. That's the deal and there's no way around it. If you want to get funded and stay true to your ideology, you have to get privately funded with majority of votes.
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2010, 01:41:02 AM »

Yea, ive just resorted to yellow pad full of fake names and info i have for using the internet...
i didnt think i was sexy enough for anyone to want my info 10 years ago but now
anything i type in a box anywhere on the internet could end up in a serp...
Even if they promised it was private at first..

I think i made that change when the porn site i *used* to troll and heckle the posters
of just went OOPS one day and there was my username, in the public serp, with pictures
id heckled and the things id said... after HOURS of unposting and a month waiting to be
sure i finally removed them all.. were talking years worth.

Im still waiting for a coupon to pop up on my phone for chips ahoy when the gps at skynet realizes
im wandering by the cookie aisle a little longer than usual.

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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2010, 02:31:05 AM »

On the other hand, if you WANT something to be out there, in say 15 minutes
in the pole position of the s@rp , just twitter a link about a dailybooth post,
go get a sandwich, come back and voila~ number one.   Devilish
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2010, 04:07:28 PM »

Well say what you want, i just put in a lonely, programmer cave troll sixteen hour day..

 itd be nice if clicking this will save me a trip to the  store.   ROFLMAO 



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