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« on: October 11, 2010, 11:16:31 PM »

I was updating myself about cloud storage prices and in generic what's the cost of bandwidth & storage GBs. Amazon S3 has $0.15 per storage GB plus ~$0.15 bandwidth GB  which makes it up to something like $0.30 per GB if you have a service where people download a lot. Rackspacecloud is $0.15 per GB and $0.22 per bandwidth GB(!!). $0.22 per bandwidth GB makes it very fucking expensive.

Then I started to calculate that with your average 1TB drive, GB costs about $0.055. Now if you want to actually be professional, you'll need to buy 3x space for each GB because you want to have redundancy in case something goes belly up. That means GB costs about $0.15. Now you still have to buy a rack space. I remember that Perkiset & Nutballs recently moved to a new datacenter so you might be able to answer this: What's the cost of bandwidth GB when you go straight to datacenters instead of hosting companies?

At this moment it looks like Amazon S3 is not only easier from maintenance point of view but it's also financially a better choice.. but if you get really affordable bandwidth by going straight to the datacenter.. that might make a difference Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2010, 02:20:12 PM »

bw is an unmetered constant.

so we currently have 100mb full time. im not actually sure what it costs. I think we pay $1500/mo. its fully redundant though, more than god could even accomplish. There are far cheaper with less capability.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2010, 04:38:30 PM »

Our first 100Mps cost about 1K/month. It's blended among the 4 top providers in the valley, so it's an extraordinary deal. And one that is not repeated. I think another 100mp will cost us about 3K/month more.

But that said, NBs is right - the volume of data is unmetered, it's only the pipe size. So in our mystical world, we only have 100volts but unlimited amperage Wink

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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2010, 02:08:37 AM »

So in a nutshell you just buy rackspace & bandwidth and what you do with that is up to you? Is the bandwidth equal in/out or? How long is the contract for those, 1y?

I have been reading Webhostingtalk.com and there seems to be posts that say it's about $9-100 per 1Mbps. That would make your $1k 100Mbps to be $10 per Mbps. I have to say that when you go this deep in the hosting world, it starts to get a lot different than your average hosting.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2010, 07:55:29 AM »

Yep we could literally peg the meter at 100 and leave it there. That's a lot of porn.
It's also about as premium and redundant as bandwidth can get. Youcould blow up half the building and we would still be up.

Cheaper isusally metered or "shared".
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2010, 08:36:23 AM »

Yep we could literally peg the meter at 100 and leave it there. That's a lot of porn.
It's also about as premium and redundant as bandwidth can get. Youcould blow up half the building and we would still be up.

Cheaper isusally metered or "shared".
Well, with 100Mbps line it's only ~30TB you can move over a month Smiley However if you look at the rates "cloud companies" are charging for bandwidth it really starts to look like that you'll have to go with colonization if you have even a little bit more traffic than your average ecommerce site or you are hosting a lot of videos etc.

It's funny that Amazon advertises 99.999999999% durability for S3.. now I have to wonder what's the 0.000000001% that prevents it from being 100%? Or if it's one of those "statistics" for marketing purposes. They charge $0.15 per GB you transfer. If you buy 100Mbps for $1k/month, that would price it to $0.03 per transferred GB. Amazon will also start to charge from uploads so it's kinda double whammy because if you buy let's say 100TB, you'll have to pay first $0.14 per GB for that space, then you have to pay for the bandwidth you use when you upload the 100TB you just paid for. Now you are only in the situation where you start to actually pay for bandwidth other people will use. S3 ain't so cheap anymore... 
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2010, 09:11:45 AM »

S3 has never been cheap.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2010, 11:45:58 PM »

S3 has never been cheap.
Yeah, I noticed Smiley I found another good looking company called EdgeCast who are using very aggressive pricing to enter in cloud storage market. With them it's $0.08 per storage GB and $0.10 per transfer GB. However, it still has the double whammy problem since you have to pay for uploads also. Luckily my Numbers tells me that at least with initial pricing EdgeCast is cheap enough so we just might start with that. At least it would speed up time to market a lot when we don't have to first negotiate datacenter slot, then assembly the hardware, then install all the necessary software and probably write a lot of our own and then finally start writing the service itself Violin
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2010, 10:53:29 AM »

At one point I had 2 servers on a rack in Luxembourg on a 100MB unmetered pipe, I owned the servers but I think it was only like $69/mo

Granted it was a phenomenal deal, but I always had good uptime with them.
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2010, 07:50:54 PM »

I love Luxembourg. Ancient houses and castles with high-speed dishes. Clean like Switzerland, quaint like rural UK.

Love it more now. Why did you leave it, VS?
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2010, 07:20:14 AM »

I didn't have need of the hardware anymore. All the servers I use now are whored out to me, I don't own them.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2010, 12:19:26 PM »

Sweetness. Definitely better for the bottom line Wink
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