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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2010, 11:24:18 AM » |
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Unless you are some large company, or doing some sort of hosting, why would you want a "private cloud" ?
A cloud is to distribute computing, and to virtualize. So if you had 20 websites, and you put them on a cloud, theoretically you would save money.
But I thought the origional purpose behind a cloud was something like google's cloud.
Basically a way for a small person to get up and running, being able to handle tons of traffic, while not worrying about the nitty gritty.
At an enterprise Java shop where a friend of mine works, to do development you push a button that partitions off a brand new instance of *everything*. Your dev environment is not merely a branch off a code repository, it emulates the entire enterprise infrastructure down to the last detail. That's why you'd use a "private cloud". |
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2010, 11:56:02 AM » |
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At an enterprise Java shop where a friend of mine works, to do development you push a button that partitions off a brand new instance of *everything*. Your dev environment is not merely a branch off a code repository, it emulates the entire enterprise infrastructure down to the last detail. That's why you'd use a "private cloud".
...and yet another reason why the old days of licensing are over. |
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2010, 03:35:47 PM » |
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agree with vsloathe.. replicating your entire setup to create a new version of a web project without having to worry about downtime, cost, privacy, and many other things and jump directly into the "code" is extremley powerful. doing that with dedicated servers is at least a 2 day project and major $$$. with cloud hosting regardless of the size of your network this could be done in about an hour (probably much less). also cloud hosting can save your ass when the "small bugs" come along. need to make a small change to your code while it's live but worried that the whole thing will crash? simple... go to cloud, create nodes, replicate your network onto nodes, make the change, test on nodes, if works make change on live node and delete nodes used for replication. to have the ease of mind that your whole setup wont come crashing down when you make a change/version upgrade is well worth the cost of a private cloud.
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"Long time no see. I only pray the caliber of your questions has improved." - Kevin Smith
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2010, 04:07:10 PM » |
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At an enterprise Java shop where a friend of mine works, to do development you push a button that partitions off a brand new instance of *everything*. Your dev environment is not merely a branch off a code repository, it emulates the entire enterprise infrastructure down to the last detail. That's why you'd use a "private cloud".
That is not a cloud  . I was doing the same thing, I had instances of different windows versions on virtual machine images. So that way I could test different installs etc. From looking at the VirtualBox docs, you could make a scripting interface to it. Then you could So I am not saying it is a stupid idea, I am just saying I do not think it really is a cloud. A cloud for me, is like a beowulf cluster. But then again since a cloud can be anything it appears, as long as it involves more then one computer ....... |
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2010, 06:24:26 AM » |
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What makes VS' example so typically what is a cloud today, is when you have (x) templates running (i) instances on (m) machines. None of the machines are hard configured, and none of the templates care or even know where they are running. Machine instances come and go as necessary in a cluster of identical physical boxes.
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It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2010, 06:25:01 AM » |
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isthisthingon
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2010, 12:14:18 PM » |
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Private Cloud - Deploying cloud computing internally. Rather than running Web-based and rich client applications over the Internet, a private cloud employs cloud computing within a company's own local or wide area networks. The term implies that the same virtualization and highly flexible and scalable methods used in huge Internet-based datacenters are also used in the private clouds in the enterprise.
The world hasn't caught up to what cloud computing is let alone the concept of private clouds. But as usual, vsloathe picked a perfect, tangible benefit of employing private cloud technologies. I was recently on a panel of "cloud experts" (no kidding  ) answering questions about cloud computing and one of the questions I responded to was: what's the difference between leveraging virtualization internally and having a "private cloud?" The panel was a little on the quiet side and so I asked for the mic. Paraphrasing, I explained how virtualization is one of many cloud tools and does not imply having a private cloud. It's the use of virtualization, on-demand provisioning, and non-specific execution locations in general (as perks mentioned) that make the use of these technologies private cloud-like. There's also a delicious irony in the term "cloud-in-a-box" since it appears to massively miss the whole point, at least from a public cloud perspective. |
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perkiset
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« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2010, 12:32:38 PM » |
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Hmm. "Cloud in a box."
I've got $5 for anyone that can come up with a serious phrase that makes "Queef" an acronym for cloud in a box.
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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2010, 11:36:50 PM » |
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How can you have cloud in the box? Wasn't the whole idea of cloud to not to have a box?
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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2010, 11:43:59 PM » |
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Cloud is essentially a metaphor for abstraction. Size and geographic location should not have any bearing on somethings cloudworthiness.
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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2010, 11:17:31 PM » |
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How can you have cloud in the box? Wasn't the whole idea of cloud to not to have a box?
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