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« on: July 06, 2010, 10:07:13 PM » |
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MAN has Safari 5 been pissing me off. Felt like a buggy piece of crap. JS runs brilliantly and incredibly fast, but this page load thing was almost driving me out. Great link: http://appletoolbox.com/2010/07/safari-5-0-slow-page-loading-page-only-loads-on-second-try-fix/... describes the problem as being one of DNS, and Safari 5 being a bit to eager in its anticipation of where you want to go. I've switched to the openDNS servers suggested and seen immediate and dramatic improvements. |
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It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2010, 11:58:56 PM » |
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The Safari/Chrome performance war probably encourages over aggressive choices aimed at eking out millisecond advantages, like prefetching more than ISPs will allow  With just IE and FF battling for the front spot there's less pressure to streamline since FFs plug-ins and IEs butt-plug-ins clog performance  |
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 12:30:29 AM » |
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When I was your age we used to walk to the TV to change the channel.... _̴ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 09:17:51 AM » |
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It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 02:54:14 PM » |
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I gave up on Safari 5 after about a week. It launches ok and works fine for a short while, then it will start opening windows which are complete gibberish - kind of like if you took a printout of the page content, then ran it through a shredder and put the pieces randomly back together. After doing that (intermittently) for a while, it will start eating up system resources and eventually crash my system.
I thought I had some kind of hardware problem (memory, perhaps) but Chrome and Firefox (and everything else) work fine. So I put Safari aside and am reluctantly using Chrome and hoping for Safari 5.01 (bug fixes, hopefully) some time soon.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 03:11:00 PM » |
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I wonder about that as well. Have come to the machine in the morning and it's panicked ... totally unlike my Mac. Didn't take enough time to ascertain if it was Flash or something else or what, but your post makes me think that it's S5 in a big way. Bummer.  |
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It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 10:07:55 PM » |
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I had huge problems with Safari crashing constantly while back. I traced it back to Flash plugin. I removed the Flash plugin file by hand and installed it again. That fixed it. Now I have 0 problems with Safari 5 |
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 10:12:05 PM » |
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I'd like to try that Kurdt ... What file(s) exactly did you delete?
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It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2010, 04:36:04 AM » |
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I'd like to try that Kurdt ... What file(s) exactly did you delete?
Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Flash Player.plugin My Flash got fucked after I installed CS5 trial. I think that installer installed a version of Flash plugin that caused all the problems. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 06:24:31 AM » |
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I think flash is going to shit all over. i installed an update on one of my computers and now farmville and other apps die horribly with crash report to adobe... havent really needed it for anything else besides farmville so far.. hahaha
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2010, 08:57:10 AM » |
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Safari 5 is still a FAIL for me... I deleted the Flash file and reinstalled. All was well at first, but over a few hours, Safari kept sucking up more and more RAM and CPU until it was consuming nearly 2 GB (and 130% of CPU, whatever that means) and my system started seriously dragging. Seems like the memory leak is back. Whether it's Flash or Safari that is the problem, I don't know -- but I don't have the Flash problems in Chrome or Firefox.
Anyway, still waiting for a Safari update to fix things.
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2010, 11:23:29 PM » |
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Safari 5 is still a FAIL for me... I deleted the Flash file and reinstalled. All was well at first, but over a few hours, Safari kept sucking up more and more RAM and CPU until it was consuming nearly 2 GB (and 130% of CPU, whatever that means) and my system started seriously dragging. Seems like the memory leak is back. Whether it's Flash or Safari that is the problem, I don't know -- but I don't have the Flash problems in Chrome or Firefox.
Anyway, still waiting for a Safari update to fix things.
Hmm, that sounds bad. I have been running same Safari 5 instance for something like 2 weeks now and it surely hogs some memory when you got 14 tabs open (~850MB) but CPU usage is only something like 10%. Have you tried running it in 32bit mode? And are you running it on Win or Mac? I have no idea about how Safari 5 works in Windows  |
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2010, 09:18:42 AM » |
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Hmm, that sounds bad. I have been running same Safari 5 instance for something like 2 weeks now and it surely hogs some memory when you got 14 tabs open (~850MB) but CPU usage is only something like 10%. Have you tried running it in 32bit mode? And are you running it on Win or Mac? I have no idea about how Safari 5 works in Windows I am running it on Mac (proud Apple user since 1976!) and I'm running it in 32 bit mode, so I don't really know what else to try. I have 8 or 10 tabs open occasionally, though normally it's more like 4-6. Safari definitely seems to have a problem giving back any memory once it's needed it, even if it doesn't need it any more... and then when it needs memory again, it seems to grab more rather than just use what it already took. And I don't even know what it means to use 130% of CPU, that seems a bit impossible, but that's what Activity Monitor was reporting at one point. I have a Core 2 Duo system, maybe the total CPU capacity is pegged at 200%? Anyway, I get frustrated having to babysit the browser and quit out constantly to get it to give back the excess RAM and CPU, so I set the default browser back to Chrome. I would much rather be using Safari, and I really wish I had never installed Safari 5. Unfortunately, there's no way to go back to 4, it won't install any more. |
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2010, 10:37:15 AM » |
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I get the RAM outage and processor overwork often, but the much larger problem is that I'll come back to my machine and the screen saver is frozen ... wait long enough and the kernel will panic. Then it's a hard reboot, enormously frustrating and completely outside of my normal experience. Still trying to see if it's just the existence of Safari running, or a particular page (I use a *boatload* of tabs all the time, 3-4 windows on different spaces with many tabs each) or what. But I'm getting pretty tired of the issues and wish they'd tighten this sh!t up.
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It is now believed, that after having lived in one compound with 3 wives and never leaving the house for 5 years, Bin Laden called the U.S. Navy Seals himself.
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2010, 03:54:37 PM » |
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I've had the freeze/kernel panic too, but not as frequently as with some previous versions of Safari. But I'm running the same pages now on Chrome and FF and haven't had a single crash or slowdown, so that makes Safari the culprit in my mind.
I always assumed the freeze/kernel panic was a result of Safari using up all the available RAM and just keeping on going. With a previous version of Safari (~6 months back) I could leave my computer for a few hours and come back, and Safari would have gone from using 200-300Kb to using 2.5+ Gb of RAM, with no change whatsoever in what was open or running. Now that horrible memory leak seemed to have disappeared with the last update to Safari 4 that Apple released. But Safari 5 seems to have reintroduced a very similar problem.
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