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[perkiset]

Check out a way-too-boastful-for-my-tastes Jobs here, uncharacteristically out front of the reality distortion field:

http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-laughs-at-recession-sells-record-numbers-of-macs-ipods-and-iphones/19035

Good for them, but better for me: AAPL is up over $15 in after hours trading. 

[perkiset]

Better data here:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/19/notes_of_interest_from_apples_q4_2009_quarterly_conference_call.html

it's expensive again, but some analysts are calling for as "little" as $220 for a target but some as high as $265 and one well over $300. Might be worth a bit of a look if you've got some craps money...

[isthisthingon]

LOL - 7 billion in "Mac" sales and 6.4 million in software, service and other sales.  Hmmm... wonder why they don't sell their software separately    That's the real answer - has zilch to do with maximizing the user experience IMO.  Forcing overpriced hardware on the public to get the crown of user-friendly OS experience.

Monopo........ behavior? 

[perkiset]

I've heard ancient 45s that have been sitting in an attic for 10 years that don't skip as badly as you do 

So: If you build something really great, and people really want it, and you maximize your profit from it, you're a monopoly? Or just assholes? "Forcing overpriced hardware on the public..." ? you've GOT to be freakin' kidding me. When was the last time you saw ANYONE with a gun to the head of a potential customer and say, "Buy a Mac... OR ELSE!" ? ? ?

I think you've blown completely off your rocker. Dood, I mean really - aren't you actually involved in that evil, subdermal malevolence called, "business" as well?

[perkiset]

This is the kind of reason why sales are so strong: people are willing to pay for something that works:

ChangeWave reported that 81 percent its 4,600 survey participants had ranked Leopard as "very satisfied," compared to only 51-53 percent of Windows XP users or 15-27% of Windows Vista. The satisfaction survey targeted the preinstalled operating system of users who had bought a new computer within the last 90 days.

[isthisthingon]

I've heard ancient 45s that have been sitting in an attic for 10 years that don't skip as badly as you do 

Facts are stubborn things

So: If you build something really great, and people really want it, and you maximize your profit from it, you're a monopoly? Or just assholes? "Forcing overpriced hardware on the public..." ? you've GOT to be freakin' kidding me. When was the last time you saw ANYONE with a gun to the head of a potential customer and say, "Buy a Mac... OR ELSE!" ? ? ?

I can't remember a single instance of monopolistic behavior that involved a gun or even a "gun" to anyone's head, sir Off Your Rocker    Monopolistic behavior doesn't involve guns or "guns."  It involves control over goods and services that may lack certain dimensions of fair competition.  It's so much more gray than you often describe it.  Perhaps it's the same kind of misunderstanding we had with "free software" since I believe you're referring to extortion not anti-competitive or monopolistic behavior

You know me and when the available facts point to certain truths in my view, have you ever known me to refrain from expressing things as I see them - especially when in a forum designed to foster this kind of dialog?

That's why I've got nothing but at the notion of binding OS X to the hardware as a result of anything other than profits.  It deserves a good IMO.  I could be totally wrong, but it is how I truthfully see it, and I'd lose no sense of pride or anything at all to be completely wrong about it! 

7 billion in "Mac" sales deserves another   It's just business - dood   I understand that but I'll pass on the blue pill with dinner   The king still has no clothes

[kurdt]

This thread is nothing more than

[perkiset]

@ foster dialogue - of course meng. That's what it's here for.

@ facts: well, there we have a different opinion of fact.

Consider: there are two products in the market. One is cool, the other is not. Everyone likes to purchase the cool one, not as many purchase the uncool one. Or maybe even the uncool was has way bigger sales than the cool one, it really doesn't matter. Cool one does not want to let its secret sauce out because the very reason it is profitable is its secret sauce.

I don't see how the Cool One has a monopoly.

What my experience of your argument is, is that because you want OS-X your way, it's monopolistic behavior that you can't have it. I'm not being snide or sarcastic here, I really don't understand this. Or perhaps it's monopolistic behavior that because you want it, and another company wants to sell it, and Apple stops all of that, it's monopolistic. I just don't get it. Are you saying that you see no sanctity in brand? You've commented that you think patents are wrong as well - so you're saying that intellectual property no longer is "ownable" and that all things should be available to all people? Why is that right? And how would a conversion to a sort of intellectual egalitarian utopia foster creativity? "If I work really hard on this invention, perhaps even for years or the majority of my life, I get to present it to the whole world and instantly, a Chinese company can come along, take my work and sell if for less than I do - I have no ability to get compensated for my work...?

Honestly, I just don't understand your argument. I can't even grok enough of it to step over the line yet.

[isthisthingon]

And how would a conversion to a sort of intellectual egalitarian utopia foster creativity?

Open source is a fine example.  Free software reaffirms this revolutionary way of thinking: http://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software

I know perfectly well that it's not as popular and definitely a new way of conducting business.  But it does in fact work, so well that the giants of past business modalities are scrambling to catch up

[nop_90]

Cool one does not want to let its secret sauce out because the very reason it is profitable is its secret sauce.

The cool one does not want to let its secret sauce out because the secret is there is no secret sauce 

[ehlo]

The cool one does not want to let its secret sauce out because the secret is there is no secret sauce

 

[isthisthingon]

Cool one does not want to let its secret sauce out because the very reason it is profitable is its secret sauce.

The cool one does not want to let its secret sauce out because the secret is there is no secret sauce 

OMFG    Nice.