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« on: February 27, 2008, 06:00:53 PM »

The rumor sites are all abuzz that Apple is holding a "Roadmap to the iPhone SDK event on March 6th. Conspicuously absent is a stated launch date, but perhaps that will come with the event. My personal hope is that the event showcases some really great extensions to the phone, including push Exchange support - which would REALLY make the iPhone a contender to RIM...

Here is the pertinent link:

http://cultofmac.com/apple-announces-iphone-sdk-event-for-march-6th/1793/


Also bobbing around is that the iPhone no longer runs as the root user, but unimportant stuff all run as "mobile." Some security experts are claiming that this is still not perfect - natch, I run Apache as it's own (largely unprivileged) user as well as mysql... so this makes a bunch of sense, although I think that it's still considerably better. If SDK apps run as their own user then the problem is also attenuated to a certain extent - at least those apps would be running unprivileged. However, if one of them manages to chroot to "mobile" for example, then they'd have access to whatever all <thos> apps do... which is the first step in the big-ol-hole way of thinking.

Much better - still not perfect, but much better. I'll take it as a great step in the right direction.
http://cultofmac.com/iphone-update-do-apps-still-run-in-root/1789/
http://cultofmac.com/confiormed-iphones-security-better-but-still-not-perfect/1791/


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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2008, 07:41:25 AM »

It's all an argument from ignorance, imo.

There are virii out there for Windows Mobile phones, but I have never, in all my years of IT and supporting WM phones, come across one. I want to know what people are so scared of?! Look - who uses WM phones? Business execs, IT people, etc. Just the type of person whose data you would really salivate over if you had malicious intent. I'm not saying that compromises of security on WM phones has not happened, but when was the last time you've ever heard of it? I know I've never personally seen and it never heard of a concrete example.

I don't want to walk around with a gaping hole in my pocket, security wise. I just think Apple is really overstating the case here.
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 03:43:24 PM »

I think the thing that makes the iPhone different is that it uses a real browser, and not a mobile "sort-of" version.  Most mobile devices, I believe including WM devices, use a different protocol and different servers/infrastructure for reaching them.  The iPhone is different in that it uses a genuine browser and is therefore susceptible to more virii than other devices.

The paramount point of my statement is in the beginning ... "I think ..."  I reserve the right to rescind my statement in case I'm a fool or thought stupid.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 07:36:18 PM »

My Windows Mobile phones have always used mobile IE. It's not a different protocol at all. Often, sites have had a different version of themselves for mobile display, and of course WAP is altogether different, but many many phones just use a plain old browser (but without the cool resizing you can do with the iPhone) that is no different from a regular browser. Different browsers, don't execute javascript, but display the same thing using the same protocol.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 10:07:46 PM »

All fair.

Except that Windoz Mobile sucks and the iPhone rocks. Just sayin'

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2008, 07:28:01 AM »

All fair.

Except that Windoz Mobile sucks and the iPhone rocks. Just sayin'

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Obvious troll is obvious.

Agreed. But you're missing my original point.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2008, 08:05:19 AM »

Agreed. But you're missing my original point.

Ah no, not at all. I just choose to ignore it for the sake of starting an argument.  ROFLMAO
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2008, 01:34:45 PM »

Bah.  Soup cans with waxed strings and peep holes.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2008, 09:03:59 PM »

Perk,

Further to our discussion this morning (my time). This looks hopeful, from the README:

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UNIX Development Support. Command-line tools used for UNIX-based
development.

I'm going to download the SDK now and take a closer look.

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 09:17:27 PM »

In case anyone else on a *nix system wants to play with this........

mount -t hfs -o loop iphone_sdk.dmg /mnt/tmp

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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2008, 08:50:28 AM »

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/iphoneroadmap/

that simlator and the stack recorder sounds familiar:

i always wanted to see like a 4 ghz computer with a jillion
terrabyte drive emulate say a 400mhz computer ...
but have the monster computer taking flash pictures
of the state of the computer, you know, the entire ram
bank and all its data, the instructions on the processor at
that particular individual cycle, and save it in a processor
cycle by cycle database literally roll back the last 17,000
cycles or whatever...

did i see that right and thats what tehy are doing with
xcode and the iphone simulator?  (wank.gif)

that is totally balls awesome.... those 3-d games using
the x=y=z accelerometors to fly around... uh.. uh...

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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2008, 12:24:49 PM »

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

The IDE is pretty hot, the class libs are great and the touch points to the accelerometer etc are easy and nice.

Suggestion: DL the suite of 11 "getting started" videos at Apple to see how it all looks. I'm like a kid in a candy store.

Unfortunately, I don't have time to stick around, but knowing there's all that candy to be had gives me a cold-blue-steel chubbie. Wink
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