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« on: April 30, 2010, 05:10:31 PM »

Leander Kaheny, editor for Cult Of Mac purchased a 3G 'pad and is not happy:

http://www.cultofmac.com/video-sucks-on-ipad-3g/41058

Apps like ABC do not stream over 3G, claiming you need to get to a WiFi. YouTube and NetFlix do, but the quality is noticeably degraded. He points out at the end what I've been saying since before I got my 'pad: invest in a MiFi. Why link your display device to the channel? I mean, what if you had to purchase a different TV because you went from cable to dish? With a MiFi you get whatever is available in your area into a device of your choice. I mean this for all devices - someday there'll be lots of pad choices and in all cases, I don't believe that binding them to a channel or connection provider is the right answer. Binding to AT&T for the phone is understandable: all phones are bound in one way or another (at least for the advanced data connections). I expect that my phone will be connected to a service (however that has changed drastically over the last several years and if Apple doesn't address that at some point soon it will really start to backfire IMO).

All apps, video or otherwise work perfectly on my 'pad over MiFi - however I do notice that sometimes if Sprint is burdened, videos falter or stutter - but I am OK with this. I understand that I'm connecting to the net over 3G. With the 3G pad there's this sort of implied "it'll work anywhere you go" notion which is just wrong.

I must admit a certain feeling of, "do I wanna?" with the release of the iPad 3G.

Nope. I'm just fine. Quite pleased and satisfied, actually.
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2010, 07:34:26 PM »

i figured ATT would have to do something to make the $30/month profitable...
Though, $30/mo is way better than 60 for a limited amount of bw. i think verizon is going to have to create an answer to that smokin plan.

im waiting until the prices get a little more reasonable.
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2010, 02:46:21 AM »

Haha, why on earth somebody believes that they can limit what user watches based on what connection s/he uses. If your connection transfers enough bytes per second, that's only thing that matters. Oh those old delusional dinosaurs.. time to change things around.
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2010, 06:32:51 AM »

 ROFLMAO ROFLMAO ROFLMAO ROFLMAO
AAhhh the good ole days before WWW, when u still had to go to telnet onto BBS.
Hardware was expensive, but luckily the store clerks where very stupid. You could buy a 2400 baud modem for like $200+, but since most store clerks where ignorant, you would find an old 300 baud modem. You buy the 2400, then stick the 300 in the box, tell the clerk modem does not work and you want your money back  ROFLMAO

Compuserve was charging some insane rate, way beyond what i could afford as a HS student. Like $200 for 20 hours. Luckily I borrowed 2 university internet accounts. University net was way better then even AOL (when it came out). Because they where unix shell acounts, all you could do was run lynx, but there was a "bridge" you could use so you could run you use netscape on ur PC Smiley. AOL had some insane price Smiley.

Anyway WTF do you expect for $30 a month ? Obviously this guy is a total loser and can not get laid. Probably he is upset that when he DL's porn on his iphone it is pixualated.

Already there are more portable devices being made by different manufactures. That means more competition. That means lower prices etc Smiley.

Apple is like the MS of the 21 centuary. Just like MS popularized the desktop, Apple is placing portable computing devices in the hands of the average idiot. Like MS apple has not done anything per say revolutionary. Basically they are doing what palm,nokia etc should have done years ago. A very simple idea, take a pocketpc and allow the user to connect to the net anywhere. Most importantly they have popularized this idea.

Right now apple is trying to do what MS tried 15+ years ago, and what IBM tried to do 35+ years ago by locking buisness into using thier mainframes. It will inevitably fail.

The hardest sell is getting someone to buy the first computer, first cell phone etc. Later from that buying experience the consumer becomes smarter and can make proper choices.
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2010, 07:05:35 AM »

Anyway WTF do you expect for $30 a month ?
The connection that was sold for $30?
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2010, 09:11:19 AM »

@nop and connection, lower prices:
Thefightis actually going to be between the carriers, not the hardware manufacturers. AT&Ts deal is pretty good, except that its AT&T. Verizon and sprint are the only others out AFAIK with MiFis, so the possibility to do what I do (separate the provider from the device) is not that prevalent. It will be though. I agree things are going to start happening, not that data use over the air is really coming of age.

@nop and MS, IBM, Fail:
Here you are wrongly friend. Apple isn't doing at all what the others did. Where microsoft locked you into Microsoft and IBM locked you into their mainframe, apple is attempting to lock you into an ecosystem for the distribution of content. What's going to happen is that at some point, the proliferation of apple devices and the massive discontent with that ecosystem will converge and force apple to unlock it. Open will prevail. The open sourcers will call it a huge win and a demonstration of the failure of closed. Haters andcynics will scream for joy at the fall of the great Apple walled garden. Meanwhile, anyone owning apple stock will be much richer and apple will have made obscene amounts of money on the plan ... And Jobs will be "sitting on a beach, earning 20%." I don't think that apple believes they can sustain this forever, but if they can make a boatload of money until they have to concede, well, that's corporate philosophy for you.

And when Apple does finally open up, they'll have a ridiculous amount of devices out there that will still have profound value, and they'll still be able to sell to people ... Even when they arent the only game in town. since the corporate game is about money, when they finally concede and have a lot of it, they will know that it's ok to let the haters crow ... Because quietly they know they are really the winners.

You guys are thinking way to one dimensionally about what the real game is here.   
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2010, 09:18:53 AM »

Haha, why on earth somebody believes that they can limit what user watches based on what connection s/he uses. If your connection transfers enough bytes per second, that's only thing that matters. Oh those old delusional dinosaurs.. time to change things around.
Exactly. A packet's a packet's a packet. If AT&T can't support the network they're selling to, then they should simply limit the data like verizon and sprint. I can do anything with my mifi ... Right up until i run out of data aind start paying more lol. "You may have as much of any kind of ice cream in my shop. Provided it's chocolate or vanilla."

@nuts re. Mifi - so long as your not watching netflicks on the mifi all the time the limitation is not bad. Ive never paid an overage, because i am sensitive to what am doing while on it. If you use the mifi as a connectivity device and simply plan ahead on your content, then one mifi account is fine for the family, making it a pretty screaming deal as well.   
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2010, 04:16:38 PM »

I propose that we switch this forum's language to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loglan . Unfortunately since it is totally predicate logic and fact based conversations do not last very long  ROFLMAO

The best way to envision predicates is using tree like structures. Once we all have learned loglan, you should make a parser for the language, and then have all conversations displayed as a tree like structure. Using the new html5 canvas this should be quite easy Smiley

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You guys are thinking way to one dimensionally about what the real game is here.
That way it would eliminate the illusion that i am thinking like this. The problem with current language is that it is very 2 dimensional, and linear Smiley. Human's need a new language  ROFLMAO

@nop and MS, IBM, Fail:
Here you are wrongly friend. Apple isn't doing at all what the others did. Where microsoft locked you into Microsoft and IBM locked you into their mainframe, apple is attempting to lock you into an ecosystem for the distribution of content. What's going to happen is that at some point, the proliferation of apple devices and the massive discontent with that ecosystem will converge and force apple to unlock it. Open will prevail.
Fail can be interpreted in many ways. I do not mean "fail" as in apple will go bankrupt in the next 2 years Smiley.
MS and IBM both attempted to get a monopoly, they failed in that objective, but both companies today are still pretty big players Smiley.

Like you said the things are all linked together. (or that is how i interpreted your remark about being 1 dimensional, see if we used loglan i would know Smiley)

Monopolies are nothing new.
2 good examples of monopolies where the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson%27s_Bay_Company and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company.

So in the example of the eat india company, they where granted a monopoly by the crown for all trade in the east indies including india. The big money maker was the opium-tea trade. Europe did not have any natural stimulants, caffine from tea satisfied this. On the other side of the coin, chinese are generally speaking allergic to alcohol a natural depressant, opium satisfied this need.

But to put it rather bluntly tea tastes like shit. Fortunately at the same time in the new world, sugar was discovered. Adding sugar to tea made it fun to drink and ofcourse sugar increases the buzz affect. One minor problem was that no one wanted to work on the plantations. Britain tried all sorts of things to encourage settlers into the new world to grow tobaco and sugar. But because of the harsh conditions, not even prisoners wanted to go there. Eventually they discovered that black slaves from from africa could work the plantations without dying from nasty shit like malaria etc. So we see a global economy even 300 years ago.

India and china supplying tea and opium, africa supplying slaves, america supplying sugar and tobacco.

Ofcourse Britain had to have a large navy to protect the merchant routes. Large navies cost money. Money comes from taxes. To make a long story short, American revolution can be directly attributed to East India company.

The american civil war can be also attributed to East India company. Without the demand for sugar and tobacco, no slaves would have been needed in the americas. Also as trade increased and the american became more prosperous, people no longer had to be forced to work in america, but actually wanted to go there.

After the revolution USA, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland where designing better and better ships. This allowed them to ship products back to europe cheaper etc. Also they where able to now export cheaper products.

Also after the revolution Yankee Traders with their better ships started to "illegally" trade with China and India. Even before USA militarily got involved in Asia, the "yankee" silver dollar was the prefered coin of trade.

So we see that world trade is nothing new, a monopoly is nothing new, and eventual opening up of markets is what happens.

So for this example apple has a monopoly for smart phones (or portable computing devices). For the discussion it does not have to be a "true" monopoly, it never is. Holland,France and Spain in the above senario had their own "East India" companies that where constantly fighting with Britain's East India company.

Better ships used to ship products could be likened to cellphone carriers. So apple (along with other smaller players) are creating a demand for mobile bandwidth. Because apple attracts the most attention to themselves, they are getting the most flak Smiley. Holland had a huge amount of colonies, and made tons of $$$$, but for some reason they never where viewed as a imperialistic nation. So Holland could be viewed as M$'s sneaky windows ce. Market share wise almost as big as apple's, but no one ever talks about it Smiley.

Again nothing new, same old shit Smiley. And a rather simplistic view on world trade history.
You could also show how tea/opium/sugar trade was responsible for invention of telegraph, railway etc etc.

And Hudson Bay Company still exists Smiley It still is a pretty large company, not as big as when it controlled 1/2 of canada and northern USA and had a virtual monopoly on supplying beaver hats to europe Smiley But it pales compared to it's former glory.

I do not hate apple per say. I just get fed up when people blow shit out of proportion. What apple has done is invented a "fork". The fork is a very interesting invention. Spoons and knives have been used by man kind for ages. And yet some smart guy got fed up of having to hold his meat with his hand while cutting it with his knife. He either burned his hands, or got grease all over them. So he got the bright idea of cutting slots into a spoon and sharpening them. So very simple, yet so ingenious Smiley But tech wise nothing amazing Smiley

If you watch the old star treks, you see they had some sort of iphone/ipad. It some how communicated to the main computer, also it had hand writing recognition, since captain kirk often had to sign on his ipad. So I presume star fleet vessels had some sort of network on board, and when docked it would tie into a larger network. Probably star trek should sue apple etc for stealing thier ideas lol.

And like many invention's the time has to be right. If apple made the ipod 30 years ago it would have been a flop. From star trek, heinlien's novels etc, people became used to the idea of computers and portable computing devices.
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